SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : Politics for Pros- moderated -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: unclewest who wrote (19969)12/15/2003 9:59:18 AM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793669
 
I think youand CB have perhaps lost sight of the fact that Hispanics are a very varied group, and that it is very difficult to generalize concerning their politics. Sure, anyone can pull out statistics that show that "Hispanics"--whatever that means--voted X% for the GOP in Y election and Z% in some other race. However, you won't get the full local flavor if the focus is so broad.

"Hispanics" are as diverse a group as you will find in the US. They comprise YUCAs (Young Urban Cuban-Americans) who are generally conservative, old timer Florida-based Cubans, who are really conservative, native non-California Mexican Americans who are middle of the road, California MAs who are fairly liberal, Texas MA who run the gamut but who are generally more conservative than their Cal. cousins, naturalized Central Americans, etc., etc. In a word, if you want to discuss diversity, there is no better place to look than the Hispanic community.

I would be quite careful about making generalizations about Hispanics. A large group that is difficult to correctly categorize.



To: unclewest who wrote (19969)12/16/2003 5:29:00 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793669
 
Hagiography on Odierno. I still question his "Careerism." And I don't think he has done as good a job in that area as they give him credit for. The Marines follow him in next spring. Then we will see.

Profile of commander whose troops nabbed Saddam
By LISA HOFFMAN
Scripps Howard News Service
December 15, 2003

- Even before his troops found Saddam Hussein, Maj. Gen. Ray Odierno made Army history in Iraq.

Regarded within the service and the Pentagon as a military star on the rise, Odierno made his Iraq battlefield debut in April when he directed the taking of the Taji airfield from the controls of a futuristic command post housed in a Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

Odierno conceived the concept of the mobile, high-tech post shortly after he took charge of the 4th Infantry Division in 2001. His 27,000-soldier outfit stands on the cutting edge of the Army's combat future, operating as the service's premiere digitized command.

When his troops stormed the airfield April 16, they apparently entered the record books for fighting the first all-electronic infantry battle ever, during which not a sheet of paper was used, according to an account of the battle written in the journal Military Review by a retired lieutenant colonel who serves as an adviser to Odierno, 49.

While that historic footnote may be little noted generations hence, Odierno's role in Saturday's nabbing of the former Iraqi president no doubt will be, particularly as the top brass surveys the field for future leaders.

"Gen. Odierno is one of the finest commanders in the U.S. Army," Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Richard Myers said during a visit to Odierno's area of responsibility smack in the heart of the perilous "Sunni triangle" north and west of Baghdad.

An imposing character at 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds, Odierno retains the bearing of the football tight end he was at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, until injuries made him switch to pitching on the Army baseball team. With his shaved head, sharp-angled jaw and straight talk, the Rockaway, N.J., native cuts a hard-edged figure.

The son of an engineer who served in World War II, Odierno says it was a desire to play football for Army that started him on his military path. After West Point, he earned master's degrees in nuclear engineering, and national security and strategy, but at first was not convinced the Army was for him for the long-term.

"Heck, I wasn't sure I 'd stay past my five-year commitment," Odierno told the Killeen (Texas) Daily Herald after he was named 4th Infantry commander in 2001.

Odierno has a 25-year career in uniform that has taken him to the first Persian Gulf War as a brigade executive officer in Saudi Arabia; Geneva, Switzerland, for a small role in crafting a nuclear-arms treaty with the Soviet Union; Bosnia for peacekeeping duty; and three tours in Germany.

Odierno also did the Pentagon time obligatory for ambitious, rising officers. His was spent as a military adviser on arms control, and as head of an Army outfit charged with designing the structure of the 21st-century force.

Now based in Fort Hood, Texas, Odierno and his wife, Linda, have three children. His oldest, Tony, is a West Point grad and a lieutenant preparing to deploy soon to Iraq with the 1st Cavalry Division.

Odierno's career hasn't been all glory. He was second-in-command of the Apache helicopter force at the center of one of the Army's biggest embarrassments in recent years, when the Clinton administration decided the choppers were too accident-prone and vulnerable to be sent into Kosovo to battle Yugoslav Serb forces in 1999.

His division was one of the last outfits to make it to Iraq, arriving after Baghdad fell April 9. The 4th Infantry originally was supposed to invade Iraq from Turkey in the north, but had to cobble together an alternate plan after Turkey refused to allow them to.

Still, Odierno has earned plaudits for his skillfulness in the volatile region he is trying to pacify. He handled the delicate task of disarming the People's Mujahedeen of Iran, a group operating out of Iraq that the U.S. State Department has labeled a terrorist group but one that others in the Bush administration look kindly on for its anti-Iran orientation.

He and his troops, who are responsible for the security of northern oilfields, as well as the Saddam strongholds of Tikrit and Samarra, have confiscated more than $9 million in cash and $1 million worth of jewels and gems in raids. Odierno has also overseen more than 1,000 rebuilding projects and seized thousands of weapons and ammunition.

Odierno scored high marks for his respectful approach to Iraqi civilians. He directed his troops not to eat, smoke or drink around Iraqis during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, when such activities are verboten during the day. He also dedicated $154,000 to repairing mosques in the region, which drew grudging appreciation from the local population.

It was an incident related to the treatment of Iraqis that landed Odierno in the midst of sharp controversy. One of his underlings, Lt. Col. Allen West, fired a pistol near the ear of an Iraqi detainee to convince him to talk about attacks against U.S. troops, and permitted soldiers under his command to beat the man.

Odierno ordered a criminal investigation of West, which triggered outrage from other Army officers, active and retired. They saw West's actions as motivated by the entirely proper intent of protecting the lives of his troops. In the end, Odierno did not court-martial West, but effectively ended his Army career by reprimanding and fining him $5,000.

Still, when the history of the 4th Infantry's role in the war in Iraq is written, its capture of Saddam is certain to be foremost. At the press conference Sunday to announce that Saddam had been snared, Odierno coined the defining metaphor that found its way into headlines across the world Monday.

"He was just caught like a rat," Odierno said.

knoxstudio.com



To: unclewest who wrote (19969)12/16/2003 5:50:45 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793669
 
This one's for you, Mike. It's priceless. "Blackfive Blog."

All Things French - Blackfive's Encounter with a French Army General
Original Blogspot Posting - June 19, 2003

Back in 1992, I was a First Lieutenant (1LT) in the US Army. I was an Executive Officer - 2nd in Command of a Company - in the 3rd Infantry Division (3rd ID) and was headquartered in Wurzburg, Germany, which was nestled in the hills of the northern tip of Bavaria. It was the end of June, and I was getting ready to head back to the states.

Now, normally, when you are leaving one post for another, you receive about ten days administrative leave (read vacation or time off) in order to put your things in order - things like shipping your car back to the states, packing and shipping your belongings, and ensuring that you have properly filled out about ten reams of paperwork properly. It is during this standard, ten day period that you are considered untouchable for additional duty assignments. For all intents and purposes, you are supposed to be considered already gone...

Well, over the Fourth of July weekend, the 3rd ID was going to celebrate it's 75th Anniversary. Major General (MG) Keller, the Division Commander, was going to bring every living 3rd ID Medal of Honor (MOH) recipient to Germany. This meant that each MOH winner would need a junior officer as an escort. You guessed it, MG Keller caught me in his net for junior officers even though I was supposed to be left alone.

Please understand that is was a great duty to escort a MOH winner - so I didn't complain - hell, I wanted to meet the heroes and I ended up as escort officer for Ola Mize. He was a Sergeant when he received the MOH and ended his career in the Army as a Colonel. He was a great guy, very easy going and funny. I really liked being around him. I even had the Division Staff Duty Officer - charged with knowing everything that was going on at night and had keys to open every building - open the bowling alley on base for Colonel Mize at midnight so we could bowl and have a beer. After bowling, I dropped the colonel off at his VIP suite. I caught up with the other junior officers who escorted MOH winners that day, and the consensus was that every single one of them were great guys. All of us had been treated with enormous respect. Hell, I bowled and drank beers with an amazing American hero that I would have willingly carried on my back around the base.

After the initial night, Colonel Mize received a higher ranking officer to escort him around by daylight. So, I said my goodbyes, shook the colonel's hand, and went to find out if I was still needed for escort duty. Colonel Mize's last words to me were, "Someday, Matt, you will have the honor of being led around by a lieutenant. When that day comes, don't be a jackass."

My next duty was to escort a French general who was being treated with Dignitary status. His name was General Jannier (pronounced Jza-nay), and he was one of the French Commando Brigade commanders. Since I had served in the American Special Forces, it was thought by the officer making the assignment roster that we would have something in common. I was disappointed that I didn't get another MOH winner, and, quite frankly, would rather be packing up my belongings rather than escorting a French General around. Actually, I would rather have had a colonscopy than spend time with a French General.

I took General Jannier on a tour around the base, to an orchestra concert, and various other festivities culminating with a walk down a static display of equipment. What is a static display? It is where you put stationary equipment (like tanks, helicopters, hum-vees, weapon systems, etc.) on display for guests to view. Usually, you have a Sergeant stationed at each piece of equipment, and the Sergeant, in a docent-like role, will describe the equipment in great detail. Almost always, it is the Sergeant's actual equipment - meaning, the Sergeant is the subject-matter expert on the equipment.

General Jannier did not speak English. He had an American Army Captain as an interpreter. As I walked with the General, the Army Captain interpreter stopped each Sergeant from talking about his equipment - instead, he insisted that I describe what we were looking at and then he would translate it for the General. When I asked why, the Captain just said, "Lieutenant, just do as the General asks."

As we moved along, it became more and more apparent to me that General Jannier did not think very highly of enlisted soldiers. This thought began to grind on my nerves because I was a "mustang" - meaning that I had been a Sergeant before becoming an Officer. Sergeants (Non-Commissioned Officers) in the American military were more educated, motivated and dedicated than ever before - and they served for a pitiance and most could qualify for welfare/food stamps. Couple this with the fact that the General would mutter things in French while I was describing the equipment and you can probably tell why I was getting a little irritated. I kept getting the impression that he was criticizing the US Army with American Sergeants looking on.

So we walked through the static display as I described various personnel carriers, hum-vees, radio equipment, etc. with the Sergeants just looking on with an "WTF" expression on their faces. The Captain would tell the General everything I said in French. After an excruciating hour of this, we reached the M1A1 Abrams main battle tank - it was immaculate and magnificent. The M1A1 is 60 tons of homogenous steel that can move over 30-55 mph over rough terrain and blast an enemy's army right out of its path. The M1A1 was the darling of the Persian Gulf War in 1991. Standing in front of the impressive tank was a Sergeant that could have posed for a recruiting poster. To me, the M1A1 display was a work of art.

Holding up my hand to stop the Sergeant from describing his M1A1, I began describing the tank in great detail. It has an impressive array of weapons, and roles of the crew are interesting. While I was talking, General Jannier made some comments in French under his breath. The Sergeant assigned to discuss the tank's attributes gave me a confused look.

I thought, That's it! I can't take any more of this arrogant bullsh#t!

But, because I had a lingering doubt that the General might actually be sincere, what I politely asked was, "Captain, what did the General just say?"

The Army Captain interpreter replied, "Lieutenant, don't worry about it."

I grew more insistent, "Captain, what did the General just say."

The Captain, exasperated as well, just mumbled, "He says that it is inferior to the Leclerc (French) tank. That's all."

My incredulous voice went up a few decibels, "Inferior?!", a few more decibels, "Why?!! Because it doesn't have three gears for REVERSE?"

The smile on the M1A1's Sergeant's face was priceless. However, the Captain turned white as a ghost. I could read the "Oh SH#T!!!" look on his face. General Jannier looked stunned, then you could see his eyes narrowed on me, his smirk faded into a sneer.

The Army Captain's face tightened up. He turned to me to address me directly, "Lieutenant, General Jannier can speak English. HE...JUST...CHOOSES...NOT...TO!"

Oh SH#T!!!!

I was replaced by another escort officer (faster than you can say "Your career is OVER!"), told to stay in my quarters, received a General Letter of Reprimand for pissing off an allied General Officer (conduct unbecoming), and ordered to stay away from all French nationals on base.

For awhile, this story was told at the Officer's Club or at a poker game - more often than not to poke fun at me. Now, it seems to be a badge of honor. I couldn't have done more to piss off the French Army - even if I had been wearing this shirt.

blackfive.net