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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: H-Man who wrote (25514)	12/16/2003 2:25:18 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

H-Man, You need to know that the Telegraph.UK has been discredited for a previous effort to promote false documents. The case involved documents purportedly "found" by a Telegraph reporter/(MI6 agent?) who breathlessly announced that an anti-war MP named George Galloway was getting kickbacks from Saddam Hussein. A lawsuit filed by Galloway immediately had the Telegraph retracting its lies. This story seems no different, except that the perps are dead and won't get a chance to file a libel suit against the Telegraph. They do seem to learn from their mistakes, but never consider being truthful to be important.

To: H-Man who wrote (25514)	12/21/2003 11:29:08 AM
From: Rarebird	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

<But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far.> It is one of the oldest political ploys in the world. Old it may be, but it keeps right on working. The ploy goes like this. An (apparently) immense and dangerous crisis blows up outside the nation. Politicians galore scream about a great danger and then promise to protect the public. An army marches and an armada sails. There follows a stunning military advance to strangle the danger and to institute a regime in the newly "pacified" area which will be just as good as the one back home. The general public, now scared out of its wits, follows each twist and turn with spellbound fascination. And while the public is fixated on the external dramatics, the leader quietly pulls a fast one. In this case, with the public fixated on the capture of Saddam, President Bush signs into law the new US intelligence budget. Wrapped inside this latest US intelligence spending bill are a set of new provisions that allows the FBI to obtain an individual's financial records from pawn shops, casinos, car dealers and travel agents - all without a court order. These new measures in the intelligence authorization bill expand the number of those who can be served with "National Security Letters" which demand private financial information during investigations relating to terrorism or counterintelligence. These National Security Letters do not require any judicial review or approval. Once any National Security Letter has been issued to search any individual's financial records, those providing these records are prevented - by law - from notifying the person being investigated. These National Security Letters are exempt from any traditional court reviews as well as from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA).

To: H-Man who wrote (25514)	12/21/2003 11:45:19 AM
From: Rarebird	Respond to of 25898

<But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far.> In 1750-60, when Colonial Americans were beginning to mutter darkly about the rule of the British Crown, they were concerned with transgressions which the world would now embrace as great steps towards freedom, so mild were they in comparison to those taken for granted today. There was, however, one exception. These were "Writs of Assistance" and they were hated by the colonists. A Writ of Assistance was a Royal act right out of the King's mouth - though he often signed them after lower officials had filled in the blanks - in which a man, specifically named, had all his actions authorized. Once named in the Writ, ANYTHING a man did was lawful merely because he did it. No court could touch him. A man named in a Writ of Assistance was literally above the law. President Bush's National Security Letters are of the exact same force and effect.

To: H-Man who wrote (25514)	2/7/2004 11:44:48 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 25898

Saddam had zero to do with 9-11. Zero. Saddam and Osama hated each other. the Iraqi dissidents lied their butts off to Cheney and he bought them hook, line andsinker, then financed them. They're about as trustworthy as the Contras. A bunch of sleazy crooks no better than the Iraqi regime. I've read their tales of huge stockpiles of WMD's and Al Qaida training camps in Iraq. All disgusting lies. Cheney is not stupid. He wasn't fooled, but he used those tales to try and fool us. Why? Oil-fields. Halliburton. Money.