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To: Sully- who wrote (540)12/16/2003 2:15:25 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
From: CobaltBlue
To: KyrosL

What you keep sliding past is who were we to say "yea" or "nay". In 1987, Reagan called for an embargo against selling arms to either Iran or Iraq, and sanctions against any country who did that, but was met with lukewarm response from allies. In 1989, the US banned the export of so-called "dual use" technology to Iraq. Without multilateral cooperation, our ban was fruitless.
Iraq, as well as Syria, Libya, and Iran continued to import the technology and the feedstocks from other nations, including France and Germany.

We weren't nearly as powerful then, the Cold War was still in full swing.

And afterwards, Saddam could continue to buy from China and North Korea and Pakistan. Someone always wants money.

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To: Sully- who wrote (540)12/20/2003 4:30:18 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Rumsfeld Visited Baghdad in 1984 to Reassure Iraqis, Documents Show

<they seem to slant this & spin it hard given what was actually in the documents>................

Rumsfeld Visited Baghdad in 1984 to Reassure Iraqis, Documents Show

Trip Followed Criticism Of Chemical Arms' Use

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 19, 2003; Page A42

Donald H. Rumsfeld went to Baghdad in March 1984 with instructions to deliver a private message about weapons of mass destruction: that the United States' public criticism of Iraq for using chemical weapons would not derail Washington's attempts to forge a better relationship, according to newly declassified documents.
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Rumsfeld, then President Ronald Reagan's special Middle East envoy, was urged to tell Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz that the U.S. statement on chemical weapons, or CW, "was made strictly out of our strong opposition to the use of lethal and incapacitating CW, wherever it occurs," according to a cable to Rumsfeld from then-Secretary of State George P. Shultz.

The statement, the cable said, was not intended to imply a shift in policy, and the U.S. desire "to improve bilateral relations, at a pace of Iraq's choosing," remained "undiminished." "This message bears reinforcing during your discussions."
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The documents, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the nonprofit National Security Archive, provide new, behind-the-scenes details of U.S. efforts to court Iraq as an ally even as it used chemical weapons in its war with Iran.
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An earlier trip by Rumsfeld to Baghdad, in December 1983, has been widely reported as having helped persuade Iraq to resume diplomatic ties with the United States. An explicit purpose of Rumsfeld's return trip in March 1984, the once-secret documents reveal for the first time, was to ease the strain created by a U.S. condemnation of chemical weapons.

The documents do not show what Rumsfeld said in his meetings with Aziz, only what he was instructed to say. It would be highly unusual for a presidential envoy to have ignored direct instructions from Shultz.

When details of Rumsfeld's December trip came to light last year, the defense secretary told CNN that he had "cautioned" Saddam Hussein about the use of chemical weapons, an account that was at odds with the declassified State Department notes of his 90-minute meeting, which did not mention such a caution. Later, a Pentagon spokesman said Rumsfeld raised the issue not with Hussein, but with Aziz.

Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita said yesterday that "the secretary said what he said, and I would go with that. He has a recollection of how that meeting went, and I can't imagine that some additional cable is going to change how he recalls the meeting."
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"I don't think it has to be inconsistent," Di Rita
said. "You could make a strong condemnation of the use of
chemical weapons, or any kind of lethal agents, and then
say, with that in mind, 'Here's another set of issues' "
to be discussed.
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Last year, the Bush administration cited its belief that Iraq had and would use weapons of mass destruction -- including chemical, biological and nuclear devices -- as the principal reason for going to war.

But throughout 1980s, while Iraq was fighting a prolonged war with Iran, the United States saw Hussein's government as an important ally and bulwark against the militant Shiite extremism seen in the 1979 revolution in Iran. Washington worried that the Iranian example threatened to destabilize friendly monarchies in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

Publicly, the United States maintained neutrality during the eight-year Iran-Iraq war, which began in 1980.

Privately, however, the administrations of Reagan and George H.W. Bush sold military goods to Iraq, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological agents, worked to stop the flow of weapons to Iran, and undertook discreet diplomatic initiatives, such as the two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, to improve relations with Hussein.

Tom Blanton, executive director of the National Security Archives, a Washington-based research center, said the secret support for Hussein offers a lesson for U.S. foreign relations in the post-Sept. 11 world.

"The dark corners of diplomacy deserve some scrutiny, and people working in places like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan and Uzbekistan deserve this kind of scrutiny, too, because the relations we're having with dictators today will produce Saddams tomorrow."

Shultz, in his instructions to Rumsfeld, underscored the confusion that the conflicting U.S. signals were creating for Iraq.

"Iraqi officials have professed to be at a loss to explain our actions as measured against our stated objectives," he wrote. "As with our CW statement, their temptation is to give up rational analysis and retreat to the line that U.S. policies are basically anti-Arab and hostage to the desires of Israel."

The declassified documents also show the hope of another senior diplomat, the British ambassador to Iraq, in working constructively with Hussein.

Shortly after Hussein became deputy to the president in 1969, then-British Ambassador H.G. Balfour Paul cabled back his impressions after a first meeting: "I should judge him, young as he is, to be a formidable, single-minded and hard-headed member of the Ba'athist hierarchy, but one with whom, if only one could see more of him, it would be possible to do business."

"A presentable young man" with "an engaging smile," Paul wrote. "Initially regarded as a [Baath] Party extremist, but responsibility may mellow him."

Staff writer Vernon Loeb contributed to this article.

washingtonpost.com



To: Sully- who wrote (540)12/23/2003 1:20:24 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
<font size=4>Where Iraq Purchased Weapons 1973-2002

The purpose of this post is to address one of the many mythical claims about the United States popularized by some Leftists who would have us believe that the United States is the cause of most of what is wrong with the world. The myth under examination here is the claim that the United States played an important role in arming Saddam Hussein.<font size=3> The data comes from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute in the form of a table of the value of arms imported by Iraq from 1973 through 2002. (PDF format)

Figures are trend-indicator values expressed in US $m. at constant (1990) prices.

Note: The SIPRI data on arms transfers refer to actual deliveries of major conventional weapons. To permit comparison between the data on such deliveries of different weapons and identification of general trends, SIPRI uses a trend-indicator value. The SIPRI values are therefore only an indicator of the volume of international arms transfers and not of the actual financial values of such transfers. Thus they are not comparable to economic statistics such as gross domestic product or export/import figures.

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Imported weapons to Iraq (IRQ) in 1973-2002

Country $MM USD 1990 % Total

USSR 25145 57.26
France 5595 12.74
China 5192 11.82
Czechoslovakia 2880 6.56
Poland 1681 3.83
Brazil 724 1.65
Egypt 568 1.29
Romania 524 1.19
Denmark 226 0.51
Libya 200 0.46
USA 200 0.46
South Africa 192 0.44
Austria 190 0.43
Switzerland 151 0.34
Yugoslavia 107 0.24
Germany (FRG) 84 0.19
Italy 84 0.19
UK 79 0.18
Hungary 30 0.07
Spain 29 0.07
East Germany (GDR) 25 0.06
Canada 7 0.02
Jordan 2 0.005
Total 43915 100.0


I made my own percentage calculations. Also, the original PDF document has the amounts by year but I extracted out only the final total column. Note that post-1990 sales listed under "USSR" probably refers to Russia or perhaps Russia plus former USSR states.
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Given the US's position as largest arms merchant in the world the fact that it ties Libya for 9th place with only 0.51% of Iraq's total arms imports makes it obvious that the United States was not an important source of arms for Saddam's regime, that the US didn't even seriously try to be, and that US arms sales gave the US little or no leverage over Saddam.

In a report published in 1998 Anthony Cordesman places an even lower estimate on US arms exports to Iraq. See page 22 of this PDF which shows the US selling Iraq $5 million in arms in the late 1980s. Cordesman's report has many charts which also show just how far Iraq's economy fell during the war with Iran and afterward.
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Iraq seemed to be on the edge of sustained economic development in 1979. It was a nation of 12.8 million people with a per capita income well in excess of $10,000 in constant $US 1994. However, its economy was dependent on oil wealth and construction and infrastructure oriented with massive distortions in the state and agricultural sector.

By 1986, the worst year of the Iran-Iraq War in economic terms, Iraq’s per capita income was down to $2,174, and its population was up to 16.2 million.

By 1991, the last year for which we have hard data on the Iraqi economy in market terms, Iraq’s per capita income was down to $705, and its population was up to 17.9 million. Iraq’s GNP in constant $1994 had dropped from $48.3 billion in 1984 to $16.3 billion.

Iraq’s current per capita income is probably under $1,000. The World Bank estimates that its population will climb from 21.0 million in 1995 to 24.5 million in 2000, 28.4 million in 2005, and 32.5 million in 2010.
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US policy in the 1980s favored a stalemate in the Iran-Iraq war. But the US role in ensuring that outcome was very small as compared to the roles played by the USSR, France, China, and other countries in making sure Saddam's regime was not overrun. What intelligence and other assistance the US provided to prevent Iranian victory pales in comparison to the roles played by several other countries.
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projects.sipri.se

projects.sipri.se

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parapundit.com



To: Sully- who wrote (540)12/27/2003 1:45:37 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Down the Memory Hole of the Iran-Iraq War

In a story noticed by Connie Brod this morning on C-SPAN’s “Washington Journal,” reporter Christopher Marquis reported that the Reagan administration was somehow weak on weapons of mass destruction in the mid-1980s, according to newly uncovered documents:

“During that war, the United States secretly provided Iraq with combat planning assistance, even after Mr. Hussein's use of chemical weapons was widely known…The disclosures round out a picture of American outreach to the Iraqi government, even as the United States professed to be neutral in the eight-year war, and suggests a private nonchalance toward Mr. Hussein's use of chemicals in warfare. Mr. Rumsfeld and other Bush administration officials have cited Iraq's use of poisonous gas as a main reason for ousting Mr. Hussein.”

This might sound shocking, a tilt toward the evil Saddam and “private nonchalance” about WMDs. But Marquis doesn’t create the entire context of mid-1980s foreign policy, which would include the New York Times. On October 20, 1987, the Times editorialized: “Iran’s strategy is to divide its opponents through fear. A united front led by the United States and centered on the containment of Iran is the proper response.” In other words, the Times favored supporting Iraq’s cause even after it became aware of American support (reported in the Times by Bernard Gwertzmann on December 16, 1986) and international alarm about Iraq’s use of chemical weapons.

But there’s more in the editorial: “So why should the United States get embroiled in a savage war between two lawless regimes? Because containing Iran is in the interest of the U.S., the Gulf States, Europe, and Japan. All look to America for leadership. If Iraq suddenly crumples, as is possible, it will be even harder to defend the oil-rich region against a victorious Iran.” The editorial even suggested the White House “needs to enlist Congressional and public support” for this policy.

Marquis makes no attempt to divine the political ideology of his source: “The documents, which were released as part of a declassification project by the National Security Archive, and are available on the Web at www.nsarchive.org, provide details of the instructions given to Mr. Rumsfeld on his second trip to Iraq in four months.” <font size=4>The Archive was founded to secure government documents to build a case against Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy, with its first burst of activity and publicity centered on the Iran-Contra affair. Even now, its list of reports doesn’t suggest much interest in unearthing anything embarrassing that the Clinton administration did (notice how many reports end in 1991).<font size=3>

gwu.edu
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As part of its pattern of omission, the Times doesn’t note that the Archive also promoted a collection of Iraq documents in February in an effort to create publicity against going to war. Or, that the New York Times Company Foundation has donated at least $10,000 to this liberal outfit.
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mrc.org

To read the Marquis story in full, see here.
nytimes.com