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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (6265)	12/16/2003 10:30:08 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Chinu. You said...." If the laws are such that they are prone to mistakes, then change the law since it is no different. In the same way, the US has the death penalty which also is very uncivilized and brutal. When a person is executed, you have journalists in there watching the execution and then reporting it to the world. How more uncivilized can this be. "..... Chinu I can't remember how many times now I have suggested to you that you are NOT paying attention to what is going on around you. Are you so locked in with your way of thinking that free thought is not part of your life? If you had paid the slightest attention you would have noticed that over the last 10 years or so many innocent people have been released because our laws are evolving and changing for the better. This is not the case as I tried to tell you with the laws of islam. islam remains bogged down with uncivilized stupid laws from 1500 years ago. They have not evolved as did most other religions with the civilized world and this IMO is why we are at war with islam today. You said...." When a person is executed, you have journalists in there watching the execution and then reporting it to the world. How more uncivilized can this be. "..... It could be more uncivilized if all the citizens of the country were invited/forced to watch the executions in a soccer arena where the kiddies could be given treats like it was a holiday...where citizens could watch while an old lady kneels in the center of the arena and is shot in the head. Where citizens could watch while hands and feet are amputated from possibly innocent people. Where eyes are gouged out, where tongues are cut out. Wait! this can't be true in this day and age. Can it? But you know it's true chinu. islam lives 1500 years in the past and they are WRONG. Would you like some pictures and maybe a few articles on this topic or do you believe it's true?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (6265)	12/16/2003 10:45:54 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Chinu. You may already be aware of this but just in case you have not seen>>>>> Good grief what if it's true! that would mean that GWB is/was correct. :-) 9/11 Bombshell: Mohamed Atta Trained in Baghdad newsmax.com Saturday, Dec. 13, 2003 11:08 p.m. EST A bombshell memo written to Saddam Hussein in 2001 and recently uncovered by Iraq's new coalition government shows that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta was trained in Baghdad to attack the U.S. The memo, authored by Iraqi intelligence chief Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, is dated July 1, 2001, and describes the "work program" undertaken by Atta at a base in Baghdad run by notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal, reports London's Sunday Telegraph, which obtained the document exclusively. If authentic, the document would be the first explicit evidence implicating Iraq in the attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, since it makes a direct reference to what appears to be the 9/11 plot. In one passage, the Iraqi intelligence chief reportedly informs Saddam that Atta had demonstrated his capability as leader of the team "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy." Iraqi officials refused to disclose how and where they had obtained the document, the paper said. But Dr. Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man Presidential Committee, said the document was genuine. "We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda," he told the Telegraph. "But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far. It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaeda, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks." In October 2001, two Iraqi defectors told U.S. intelligence that they helped train militant Muslim fundamentalists to overcome U.S. flight crews, using hijacking techniques never seen before 9/11, at a south Baghdad training camp known as Salman Pak. One of the defectors, Sabah Khodada, subsequently told PBS that he believed the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by "graduates of Salman Pak." In what could turn out to be one of the greatest intelligence blunders of the post-9/11 era, the CIA and FBI dismissed Khodada and other eyewitness accounts of the hijack training regimen at Salman Pak, though their story was corroborated by satellite photography showing the fuselage of the airliner on which they trained. The Telegraph report makes no mention of Salman Pak or the accounts from eyewitnesses suggesting the camp may have played a role in 9/11.