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To: Greg or e who wrote (36091)12/17/2003 11:59:11 AM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
The upcoming book by Mathison will definitely be on my reading list. Here is a preview for the edification of the thread.


A False Gospel is not a “Good Offense”
by Keith Mathison

gospelcom.net

An article entitled “The Best Defense is a Good Offense” on the Planet Preterist website was recently brought to my attention. The author Roderick Edwards, aware that I am editing a critique of hyper-preterism, decided that it would be a good idea to launch a pre-emptive strike. He writes:

There is rumor that Keith Mathison, associate of Ligonier Minsteries [sic] (founded by R.C. Sproul) is working with others on a major project that will attempt to refute preterism. Since I’m tired of us merely being reactionaries I think it fitting that we ask some questions of them before they complete their project.
The project is a critique of hyper-preterism (not preterism) and is, in fact, already completed. It should be published some time later this year. However, since Mr. Edwards apparently believes he has raised some questions that adherents of biblical Christianity cannot answer, they require a brief response. I will simply list his questions as they are stated in his article and follow each with a few comments.

1. Has the Great Commission been completed?
Being Calvinists, Sproul and others at Ligonier should be well aware of the typical rant of dispensational semi-Pelagians who constantly quote John 3:16 and say “world means world” – every parcel of land on the face of the planet. In this light, I would encourage our brothers at Ligonier to consider their responses carefully. For again I ask, has the gospel been preached to all the world? Paul says it has.

“First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.” – Rom 1:8

“…but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith—“ Rom 16:26

“…which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit…” – Col 1:6

“…the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.”. – Col 1:23

David Curtis, pastor of Berean Bible Church makes an excellent observation:

"Probably one of the most common beliefs among Christians is that once the gospel is preached to all the world, Christ will return and the world will end. This is a theme verse of the Christian Broadcasting Network. [CBN of Pat Robertson & the 700 Club] They are trying to fulfill this verse [Mat 24:14]. Most believers would say that this verse has not yet been fulfilled, the gospel has not yet been preached to all the world. How do we know if it has? Well, Jesus said the end would come once the gospel was preached to all the world.”

Response:
In the first place, I agree that the Gospel was, in some sense, preached to the entire Roman world before the end of the Jewish age. However, that is not the same thing as saying that the Gospel no longer needs to be preached to the world today (since the world is constantly being populated with more fallen men in need of Christ). Nor is it the same as saying that the “Great Commission” of Matthew 28:19–20 has been completed. To say that Colossians 1:23 proves the fulfillment of the Great Commission is to imply that there is no longer any need to preach the Gospel anywhere today.

In addition, the Great Commission speaks of the discipling of all nations, not merely the proclamation of the Gospel to all nations. Those who hear and believe the Gospel must still be discipled. They must be taught. Finally, Mr. Edwards citation of the beliefs of Pat Robertson are irrelevant since Robertson’s eschatological beliefs are not shared by anyone involved in the book that I am editing.

2. Who is in heaven?
Go to any funeral and you will be told that the dearly departed is now with God (if they have proclaimed to be Christian that is). But is that consistent with what we are actually being told? We are being told that the Resurrection has not yet happened. That Jesus isn’t really the King of kings yet. That the kingdom isn’t really established yet (well kind of sort of but not really). This schizophrenic theology leaves the average Christian in confusion. Will they go to be with their Lord on the day of their physical death? It is inconsistent for ministers to tell people that they will have life in heaven if these same ministers imply that Jesus has not yet conquered the last enemy, which is death.

Response:
I will respond to Mr. Edwards complete misrepresentation of what I and others are saying about the kingdom in the next response. Here I will simply note that Mr. Edwards believes it is inconsistent for preachers at funerals “to tell people that they will have life in heaven if these same ministers imply that Jesus has not yet conquered the last enemy, which is death.” I would submit that it is inconsistent for there to be funerals for Christians if Christ’s conquest and destruction of death is totally complete. The very fact that Christian believers do still die should be a clue to hyper-preterists like Mr. Edwards that there is a major flaw in their theology.

Mr. Edwards asks, “Who is in heaven?” Since I do not know what Mr. Edwards means when he uses the term “heaven,” I will simply say that believers who die are absent from the body and present with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:23–24). The resurrection of their bodies is still future. Mr. Edwards informs us that it is a mistake to affirm that the resurrection has not yet happened. Well, of course, Christ’s bodily resurrection certainly has happened. But the general bodily resurrection of believers has not. In order to affirm that it has already happened, hyper-preterists have been forced to redefine it in an assortment of ways (all of which contradict Scripture and result in a denial of the Gospel). Since an entire chapter of the forthcoming book is devoted to a critique of the unbiblical hyper-preterist doctrine(s) of “resurrection,” I will not dwell on it here.

3. Two Masters?
If Satan is now in control of this world (as we are told) then how is it that Jesus is the King? What is Jesus the king of? If this world is the kingdom of Satan then where is Christ’s kingdom? Are they both existing side by side battling back and forth for domination of the world? If so then on a surface appearance we may think Christ is losing. It is disingenuous for Christians to call Jesus the King of kings if He does not yet have a kingdom to be master over.

Response:
As I mentioned in the previous response, Mr. Edwards’ characterization of what I and others teach about the kingdom is completely misleading. In the previous paragraph, he says that we believe “the kingdom isn’t really established yet (well kind of sort of but not really).” In the paragraph immediately above, he demonstrates a complete lack of comprehension regarding what I and others believe about the “already and not yet” nature of the kingdom.

What I and others are arguing is that Christ’s kingdom was inaugurated “already” at His first advent. At the present time, He is putting all of His enemies under His feet. However, this subjection of all His enemies is a gradual process that has “not yet” been completed or consummated. The decisive victory was won at the cross, but there is, as it were, a “mopping up” operation to be completed. Mr. Edwards seems to think that such a concept is inherently absurd. Is this the case? Absolutely not.

We have a dramatic example of a very similar thing occurring with the kingdom of David in the Old Testament. We may rightly ask Mr. Edwards: When did David become king? Samuel anointed David king even while Saul was still on the throne (1 Samuel 16:1, 12–13). Later, the men of Judah anointed David king after Saul’s death (2 Samuel 2:4), but there was still a long war between the house of Saul and the house of David (2 Samuel 3:1). Finally, after he had defeated all of these enemies, the elders of Israel anointed David king again (2 Samuel 5:3–4), and he began his forty year reign.

Was David not really the king until that point? Was God incorrect when He declared David the true king of Israel even while Saul wrongly occupied the throne? Was David not the rightful and real king after Samuel’s initial anointing of him at God’s command even though it took a long time to subdue his many enemies? In the period of time between Samuel’s anointing of David and the end of the long war between the house of Saul and the house of David, his kingdom could be described as “already and not yet.” In a very similar way, Jesus Christ was anointed King of kings by God at His first advent. Satan may still attempt to cling to the throne and the “house of Satan” may still fight against the “house of Christ,” but that does not change the fact that Jesus Christ is Lord and is the true King now. Nor does it change the fact that the decisive victory has already been won.

4. Partial Victory?
Will we be told that indeed, Jesus is victorious but not yet completely? What tournament, what super-bowl is considered a victory when it is not completed? There is no doubt that we will hear more disparaging titles pinned upon the preteristic Christian (hyper, Hymenaen heretic). Shall we respond by calling these accusers “PVCs (Partial Victory Christians). There is irony in the fact that PVC is the abbreviation for a type of plastic. So, this idea that Jesus is not really victorious feels plastic and fake. It does an injustice to the Gospel message because it portrays a message of helplessness rather than hope.

Response:
Another problem with Mr. Edwards’ hyper-preterist hermeneutic, illustrated in this paragraph, is the fact that if it is applied to individual soteriology, it necessitates perfectionism. Mr. Edwards does not allow for any kind of victory that includes gradual growth and progress. What then of the many biblical declarations that Christ has already won for us the decisive victory over sin? According to Scripture, we have already “died to sin” (Rom. 6:2). Our old self was crucified with Christ in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing (Rom. 6:6). We have been set free from sin (Rom. 6:7). We are a new creation, and the old has already passed away (1 Cor. 5:17). If we interpret these and other similar passages in the manner demanded by Mr. Edwards, there is no room left for progressive sanctification and growth in grace. To allow for such would make us “partial victory Christians” – we would be “plastic and fake.”

Yet, in spite of all the biblical declarations regarding the decisive nature of our death to sin, the Bible also includes declarations regarding the need for our progressive victory over sin in our day to day life. The desires of the flesh continue to oppose the desires of the Spirit (Gal. 5:17). How is that so if we have died with Christ and are dead to sin? We are still required to confess our sins (1 John 1:9–10). Why is this necessary if the victory over sin has been won? We are to be transformed by the renewal of our minds (Rom. 12:2). God has already delivered us, and He will deliver us (2 Cor. 1:10). He who began a good work in us will bring it to completion (Phil. 1:6). There simply is no inherent contradiction between a decisive victory and ongoing victory. The criticisms of Mr. Edwards and other hyper-preterists leave no logical room in their system for any kind of progressive sanctification. Perfectionism is absolutely necessitated if one accepts the validity of Mr. Edwards’ criticisms.

5. Hope dashed?
One of the biggest accusations against preterism is that it takes away the hope of Christians. Again, as Calvinists, the men at Ligonier should see this argument for what it is. The same thing is used against Calvinists: “If God predestinates people before the foundation of the world, then why witness to anyone?”, is the semi-Pelagian question to the Calvinists. I ask the men at Ligonier to utilize the same good scripture exegesis and logic they do when dealing with the semi-Pelagian. Does it really dash the hope we have in Christ if we claim (as I believe the Bible proclaims) that Jesus was victorious? That hope is not a one-time deal but an ongoing, ever abiding hope that carries Christians through life day by day. How hopeless is the condition of the non-Christian that wanders about life to eventually plunge into death? Is it not a more glorious hope to rely on a God that has accomplished what He set out to accomplish?

Lastly, as Calvinists we refute the semi-Pelagian with their own inconsistent logic. The semi-Pelagian says that Jesus died so that people would have the potential for salvation. But Calvinists rightfully adhere to the biblical teaching, saying that Christ’s death on the Cross made salvation not merely possible but effective. That is, Jesus died for a specific people; His sheep (the predestined elect). So, in the same way that Mathison and Sproul (news - website - books) and the others rightfully understand that salvation is not merely potential, so should they consider and understand that Christ’s victory is not merely potential but is realized and effective now.

I praise God for the work He is doing through Sproul and Mathison and the others at Ligonier. I pray these words will not fall on deaf ears, hearts and minds.

Response:
Neither I nor any of the contributors to the book that I am editing deny that Christ’s victory was accomplished at His first advent. In fact, we strongly affirm it. What we deny are the unbiblical assumptions about the nature of this victory that are imported into Scripture by hyper-preterists such as Mr. Edwards. Just as dispensationalists have unbiblical assumptions regarding what Christ’s victory must look like, so too do the hyper-preterists. Hyper-preterists have drastically altered the nature of the “good news” that Christians are called to proclaim. In other words, hyper-preterists proclaim a different “gospel” — a false “gospel.” The contributors to the book I am editing go to great lengths to explain in detail this and many other problems with hyper-preterism.