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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (5049)	12/16/2003 1:49:33 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

Respectfully, partisan ranting and wild exaggerations from one side feed the partisan ranting and wild exaggerations from the other side and make a decent discussion in the middle impossible. If you don't understand why that applies to your last post, then you don't have a clue. No need to worry about my feelings anyway - I take pride in being called clueless by partisan extremists from both sides.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (5049)	12/16/2003 3:51:40 PM
From: Coz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

<<We are never leaving Iraq. Not until the last recoverable oil is completely drained into Exxon and Chevron supply tanks at their refineries in Houston.>> I think there is some truth to this statement even if you back away from RWE POV. I really believe that it is not enough to just elect a new president. The whole neoconservative philosophy runs through the Republican part now. In order to return to a more moderate, tolerant society again, I think we need to change the balance of power in the Congress also. In fact, I think a second GWB term would be survivable if either the Democrats controlled the House and Senate, or more moderate Republicans could reclaim the seats now held by the extremists. To be clear, though, I'd like to see us start by cleaning the extremists from the Executive branch. --Cozzz

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (5049)	12/16/2003 5:16:57 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 20773

I think you need to step back, take a deep breath, and calm down. The US isn't Nazi Germany, and its citizens won't be as tolerant of abuses as Germany's citizens were, for a variety of reasons AND we are much more sensitive to world opinion then Germany was. The most important reason we won't be staying is that American parents aren't going to want their sons and daughters killed in Iraq, for a neocon smokescreen of democracy in the ME that no one thinks they can deliver on (and that does not mean that democracy is impossible there, it simply means this is a very silly way to try to go about achieving it). I think the odds of concentration camps in Iraq are nil (at least of concentration camps built by the US- what the Sunnis, Kurds and Shiites will do to each other is another matter entirely). You often have interesting things to say, but then you come off the wall with this nutty stuff. It's a turn off. Turn ons? Logic, moderation, a sense of proportion.