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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (20299)	12/17/2003 9:51:12 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793639

There's only one point to the Gospel story and you missed it. Yes, to all those points in the Gospels that made the church accuse the perfidii Judaei of killing Christ for 2000 years. And so did the people who cry perfidii Judaei

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (20299)	12/17/2003 10:22:12 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793639

First, I acknowledge that what we know of Roman law and Jewish law don't line up very well with the Gospels. Nothing can be done about that, it is what it is. The records are quite sketchy all around. Second, I acknowledge that historically Jews have been persecuted en masse for the acts of a few Jews, whose motivations were their own. The Catholic Church apologized for that when I was quite small and you were (I believe) even smaller, but of course we can't change the past. Third, and this is not an issue that you raise, but speaking as a Christian, if you buy the gospel version of the facts, nobody had any alternative, because it was all foretold long before the birth of Christ and His contemporaries. It's really quite unfair to Judas for him to be predestined to betray Christ, and as a Catholic I don't believe in predestination. Nevertheless, at the Last Supper, Christ said that someone would betray Him, and it appears that Judas had no choice but to fulfill that destiny. Another thing I can't do anything about is figure out what really happened. In the year 2003, we can't agree about the actions of George W. Bush, Yasser Arafat, Ariel Sharon, or Saddam Hussein. So why expect more from the year 33? There are books and they say something. True or false? Who knows? Could be that they are just books. But they say what they say.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (20299)	12/18/2003 1:11:35 AM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793639

Yes, to all those points in the Gospels that made the church accuse the perfidii Judaei of killing Christ for 2000 years. Frankly I find the whole controversy baffling. First, Jesus came to be sacrificed. It was preordained. Second, "the Jews" didn't kill Jesus - the Sadducees had him killed because he was a threat. It wasn't a mob of "Jews" that got Pilate to crucify Jesus in place of Barabas, it was rabble rousers in the mob of Jews trying to save Barabas. So the whole "Jews killed Jesus" line is ridiculous and inaccurate from a very plain reading of the Gospels. Any Methodist kid in sunday school can you tell you as much. Derek