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To: LindyBill who wrote (20537)	12/19/2003 5:44:32 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793717

This morning I was listening to WLS radio and they were talking to a lady US sgt. who was on the morning radio out of Baghdad. The station's been up a week and is now on streaming internet. When they gave the url my wife popped into the room and demanded I find her a snow scraper for her car. Didn't catch the URL. Wife and snow, you don't know what you're missing.

To: LindyBill who wrote (20537)	12/19/2003 9:58:53 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793717

Re: the news business being in the news business. Daniel Okrent answers his mail, fwiw: Dear Ms. Carroll, I've been in touch with the Times's Baghdad bureau and the paper's foreign desk, who attribute the failure to cover the story in detail (a three-column picture did appear in the paper) to two things: The organizers of the demonstration failed to alert the Times in advance. And, more crucially, the responsible parties at the Times dropped the ball. As you might imagine, life can be difficult and work terribly complicated for journalists in a war zone. Still, the story should have received more thorough coverage. I am sending a copy of this explanation to newsroom management. Yours sincerely, Daniel Okrent Public Editor At 04:09 PM 12/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: Re: "But there was a picture" One picture of four guys perched on columns does not constitute adequate coverage of a protest rally of 5,000 to 10,000 people, and you know it perfectly well. Tell me that you wouldn't have had pictures of the crowds - and the signs they were carrying - if they had been protesting against the American occupation. Go ahead, tell me that that story would have been buried on Page A18. I mean, pull the other one, why donja? Nadine Caroll ----- Original Message ----- From: Public To: Nadine Carroll Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Attn: Daniel Okrent Re: Baghdad Anti-Terror Rally Ms. Carroll, Thank you for your inquiry. The Times did print a picture on page A18 of the rally against terrorism in Iraq. The caption reads: “Taking a stand against guerrillas, Iraqis stood on columns in Baghdad yesterday during a rally that attracted thousands. The attacks have killed and wounded Iraqi civilians as well as Americans and their allies.” Mr. Okrent has asked me to tell you that Roger Cohen the editor of the foreign desk is away this week and he intends to meet with him next week when he will bring up reader concerns about the Iraq coverage. Cheers, Arthur Bovino Office of the Public Editor The New York Times At 02:03 PM 12/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: Dear Mr. Okrent, Do you have any idea what it must be like to organize a demonstration after 30 years of the fear and trained passivity of living under a brutal dictatorship, and under active terrorist threat from Ba'athist and Jihadists thugs? But the Iraqis did it anyhow! Thousands of Iraqis, maybe five to ten thousand, took to the streets despite their fears to demonstrate for peace and against terror! And the New York Times buries one stinking paragraph on the demonstration at the end of a typical story of a terrorist attack. No coverage at all. Now, why do I think that if the same number of Iraqis had been waving "Yankee Go Home" signs, the New York Times would have been all over the demonstrations? Why do I have to get my news from Iraq from bloggers? Do you have any actual journalists in Iraq, or do they just read the wires? Yours, Nadine Carroll A former admirer of the Grey Lady Arthur Bovino Office of the Public Editor The New York Times (212)556-7652 Daniel Okrent Public Editor The New York Times