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To: abstract who wrote (60098)	12/20/2003 5:36:12 PM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 65232

"I feel accused of opinions I don't have...." I must strenuously disagree. You said..... "....Precise quotes, proper context & credible supporting links can be found here: michaelmoore.com You seem to claim to have like minded opinions to Michael Moore, a left wing extremist who lies, distorts & deceives frequently in his mostly false & baseless attacks on the Bush Administration. That's not my opinion. It's a proven fact by multiple credible sources. You also said..... "I am concerned that the American government frequently acts without sufficiently thinking about the consequences. As for Bush et al lying, I don't see what their motivation was. Lying would be too transparent a transgression. On the other hand, I can accept that they were hasty and stupidly relied on poor intelligence, or merely the self-conditioned power of wishful thinking." You also said..... "....they <the Bush administration> have done a terrible job of presenting it to, and convincing, the American public, to say nothing of the rest of the world....." ".....I believe that Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh have the same objective: the truth, and by extension, what’s good for America....." "....There is a huge schism between what our government ‘thinks’ and what it tells us....." "....Though we certainly have the right to defend ourselves, to act without regard to the opinions of others is really dumb. (To argue with one’s spouse with the intent of winning winning winning, without regard to where that leaves the relationship, is solely a losing proposition.).... " I attacked each those opinions with a mountain of credible evidence & facts. That is a fact. You obviously bought into a number of false assertions leveled at the Bush Administration by liberal politicians & widely disseminated by the liberal press. Embracing Michael Moore as the standard bearer of truth opened you up to supporting a wide variety of expressed lies, distortions & blatant deceit.

To: abstract who wrote (60098)	12/20/2003 5:41:18 PM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 65232

"....I..... see rants instead of reasons and diatribe instead of dialogue." Again, I must strenuously disagree. I see a mountain of credible, factual evidence along with my personal observations & opinions and the infrequent "rant". IMO, those "rant's" accurate assessments which are backed up by the plethora of evidence I supplied. If I am wrong, please correct me. You have all the evidence right here on this thread to do so.

To: abstract who wrote (60098)	12/20/2003 5:47:00 PM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 65232

"I've read most of your links and see posturing men beating their chests. I don't see irrefutable, cold hard facts." I must strenuously disagree. I've read & reread many of the articles. I could fill several lengthy posts with factual rebuttals of yours & the lefts false assertions, false, distorted &/or exaggerated allegations, misguided perceptions & alternate realities. I'd be glad to, point by point, discuss what you perceive as, "posturing men beating their chests" & what these same people have factually & accurately discussed. Please start any time you wish.