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To: KyrosL who wrote (20663)12/20/2003 7:36:16 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793761
 
Now if we can get somebody intelligent, that understands the Arab mindset, and is non-ideological to run the reconstruction effort ...

If you find someone like this, let me know. I have a million things for him/her to do. :>)

But it is good news that Saddam was involved in the resistance.



To: KyrosL who wrote (20663)12/20/2003 8:26:51 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793761
 
Where Birds Don't Fly
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

ISTANBUL

If we ever run out of room to store our gold in Fort Knox, I know just the place to put it: the new U.S. Consulate in Istanbul. It looks just like Fort Knox — without the charm.

The U.S. Consulate used to be in the heart of the city, where it was easy for Turks to pop in for a visa or to use the library. For security reasons, though, it was recently moved 45 minutes away to the outskirts of Istanbul, on a bluff overlooking the Bosporus — surrounded by a tall wall. The new consulate looks like a maximum-security prison. All that's missing is a moat with alligators and a sign that says: "Attention! You are now approaching a U.S. Consulate. Any sudden movement and you will be shot. All visitors welcome."

But here's the stone cold truth: A lot of U.S. diplomats are probably alive today because they moved into this fortress. One of the captured terrorists involved in the Nov. 20 attack on the British Consulate in Istanbul — which was just a short walk from the old U.S. Consulate — reportedly told Turkish police that his group was interested in blowing up the new U.S. Consulate, but when they cased the place they found it was so secure "they don't let birds fly" there.

This is where we've come to after two decades of anti-U.S. terrorism and 9/11: The cops are now in charge — not the diplomats. As one U.S. diplomat in Europe put it to me, "The upside is that we are more secure, the downside is you lose the human contact and it makes it way harder to have interactions with people who are not part of the elite. It makes my job less fun. [Some days] you might as well be in Cleveland, looking at the world through a bulletproof plate glass window."

Some of our embassies have such a Crusader castle look, they're actually becoming tourist sites. Fuat Ozbekli, a Turkish industrialist, told me: "I was just on a tour to Amman and we stopped our tourist van in front of the U.S. Embassy there. We asked the guide why they need all these tanks around it, and the guy told us that within this American Embassy they have everything they need so they can survive without going outside . . . I felt really sorry for the Americans there."

It's not just the brick walls that our embassies are now putting up that are increasing American isolation. Beginning next year, in order to get a visa to the U.S., you will have to come to the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate and be fingerprinted first. Some European diplomats have already started warning their American counterparts not to expect them in the U.S. anytime soon — if they have to submit to fingerprinting.

U.S. diplomats understand the security reasons for this. But, they note, it is really awkward to call up a Turkish writer or a Chinese dissident, extend an invitation to come to America on a State Department exchange program, and then say: "But first you have to come into the embassy and get fingerprinted."

Give us your tired, your poor and your properly fingerprinted.

Serhat Guvenc, a lecturer at Bilgi University in Istanbul, was actually flying to the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001, and was diverted to Canada. He's been avoiding the U.S. since because of all the already intrusive visa requirements. "All the new measures the U.S. introduced intimidated me," he said. "In Turkey, unless you are a criminal or a potential criminal, you would never be asked to leave your fingerprints. It is kind of humiliating. It's uncomfortable."

A Turkish columnist friend, Cengiz Candar, told me: "I was traveling to Iraq recently and my very old mother was very, very worried. I told her, `Don't worry, Momma, I've been there before. It is very safe, as long as you know what to do.' She said to me, `Stay away from the Americans.' "

Is that what mothers will tell their kids from now on? I don't know. Many people would still line up for America if we charged $1,000 per visa and demanded their dental X-rays. But others, especially young Europeans, are thinking twice because they don't want the hassle. Better to go to France or Germany. Add to this the shrinking capacity of U.S. diplomats to reach out and, in 20 more years, we could wake up and find that we've gone from America the accessible to America the isolated. The only Americans foreigners will meet will be those wearing U.S. Army uniforms and body armor.

We need to figure out a better system. Because where birds don't fly, ideas don't fly, friendships don't fly and mutual understanding never takes off.

nytimes.com



To: KyrosL who wrote (20663)12/22/2003 7:54:14 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793761
 
Sounds like we are doing better than you thought, KL. Remember, Chomsky predicted we would kill millions there.



Canadians marvel at Kabul's transformation

TERRY PEDWELL
CANADIAN PRESS Toronto Star

KABUL - As Afghanistan wrestles to adopt a new constitution, and the United Nations strengthens its call for more soldiers outside Kabul, Canadian soldiers are noticing dramatic changes in the security and economic well-being of the Afghan capital.

"You can see buildings that weren't there a couple of months ago," said Lt.-Col. Don Denne, the commanding officer at Camp Julien, the largest Canadian Forces base in Afghanistan, as he toured Kabul on Saturday.

"I'm beginning to see new shops everywhere. Some pretty nice houses too."

Even some of Canada's hockey greats, in Kabul to boost the morale of Canadian troops, have recognized the impact the soldiers have had on security in the capital.

"I just talked to my Afghan interpreter, and asked him 'Do you want the Canadian soldiers here?'" Former NHL tough guy Dave (Tiger) Williams said Sunday.

"He said 'They have to stay, they have to stay.' Every day, he says, they're saving thousands of lives."

Williams, former Vancouver goalie Kirk McLean and Cassie Campbell, a gold medallist with the Olympic women's hockey team, met Sunday with Maj.-Gen. Andrew Leslie, the deputy commander of the International Security Assistance Force, or ISAF.

Williams didn't mince words as he revealed his personal thoughts about what the world needs to do in Afghanistan.

"Any countries in the Western world that are not over here supporting this, they should absolutely be ashamed of themselves," he said after touring ISAF headquarters.

"If they're not at least contributing with some funding, I mean, they should get a kick in the ass."

Leslie, the top Canadian soldier in Afghanistan, told the hockey stars that Kabul is relatively secure, but areas outside the capital are still unsafe to drive through.

Williams said Canadians need to understand what their soldiers are dealing with in Kabul.

"If every Canadian could get over here and have a look at what's going on, they wouldn't sleep at night," he said.

Denne believes Canadian soldiers have had a "calming, soothing effect" on the population in Kabul, largely through simple gestures, like smiling and waving as they patrol the city's streets.

"Our presence has been a deterrent because the crime has dwindled away to next to nothing," said Denne.

"I think there's general calm, prosperity and probably security. We're definitely contributing to it."

On Friday, NATO formally authorized the expansion beyond Kabul of its UN-mandated operation to protect Afghanistan's government.

A German provincial reconstruction team, already stationed in the northern city of Kunduz, comes under NATO's command Dec. 31.

As well, U.S. troops plan to set up bases to provide reconstruction aid in provinces plagued by Taliban attacks.

Lt.-Gen. David Barno, the new U.S. commander in Afghanistan, said Saturday the move will make the troubled south and east safer for aid workers and open the way for Afghan elections next summer.

The UN has been clamouring for more soldiers outside Kabul, warning that it may have to pull out of areas where there is too much violence.

There are almost 2,000 Canadian troops working as part of ISAF, looking after security in the Kabul area.

However, no decisions on expanding Canada's presence beyond the city are expected until early in 2004, likely after Prime Minister Paul Martin calls an election.

Most soldiers avoid discussing politics but some do express personal opinions on the benefits of moving outside Kabul.

"I can only speculate that it would improve things," said Master Cpl. Stephen Hopkins of Ottawa as he met Saturday with police officers in the city.

"Elsewhere in the country, if you could have the same presence as we have (in Kabul), it couldn't hurt. It could only make things better."

Delegates attending Afghanistan's landmark constitutional convention are expected to continue arguing this week over the place Islam should hold in the document, and over the powers of the president.

The 500 delegates, 100 of whom are women, are also deeply divided on human rights guarantees, particularly for women.

The issue is so divisive that the UN was forced last week to place a woman delegate, Malalai Joya, under its protection after she openly accused Afghanistan's warlords of ruining the country.
thestar.com