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To: tom pope who wrote (43736)	12/20/2003 10:41:10 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 74559

Impossible to discuss with an interlocutor who speaks from blind faith. Huh? I was using some short-hand. Granted. But Wal-Mart is the "tip of the spear", so to speak, on an insidious effort in America to destroy the union movement. The 25% difference in wages I cited is at the low end of what happens when union shops are converted to non-union, or when new non-union competitors enter a market. Just look at what is happening in Southern California right now. What I stated is the antithesis of "blind faith". That is the realm of snake oil salesmen like Steve Moore of the Club For Growth who embarrassed himself in a debate last week when an interlocutor inquired where he saw growth coming from in the face of massive job exporting and wage slashing. Moore just sat in his chair dumbfounded that he'd actually be called upon to address specifically what his pie-in-the-sky ideology had to do with reality and where America's new jobs would be created. It would have been funny if it weren't so pathetic. Now Moore is a fool whose whole basis for existing is "blind faith" in propaganda.