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To: LindyBill who wrote (20984)	12/22/2003 8:07:03 AM
From: John Carragher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793690

Novack covered this report on cable cnn show Sat night.. i believe he added they hope Clark comes out second best close to Dean in Iowa and then Bill Clinton will come in support of Clark before New Hampshire election , hoping this could derail Dean.

To: LindyBill who wrote (20984)	12/22/2003 8:28:25 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793690

To stop Dean without Hillary, the other democrats have to rally around one candidate at least on a state by state basis. For example, in NH perhaps it would be Clark, in Iowa, Gephardt, in SC Edwards. Some would have to exit now, perhaps kerry and lieberman. Not likely but a possible way to stop dean. Bill, i asked a question in an earlier post you must have missed. Would you rather have bush run against dean with the minimal chance of upset or would you rather have him go against one of the others even if the race was closer in order to insure against Dean (who is reminding me more and more of Pat Buchanan--not fit for pres but certainly fit for unconventional ideas on the McGlaughlin group) Mike

To: LindyBill who wrote (20984)	12/22/2003 11:49:13 AM
From: MSI	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793690

Famed hit-man Novak's screed is evidence of the GOP's increasingly scary dilemma: "we said we wanted Dean as a candidate - now what do we do?" Insiders can't get enough distance from their Beltway drawing rooms to recognize that Americans are fed up and recognize these Washington parlor games for what they are. Any political junkie who follows either the Dem or Repub line too closely will continue to experience whiplash as new reasons are invented by the party machines as to why Dean (a)should be dismissed, (b)won't win anyway, or (c)is dangerous somehow. The biggest danger is to the entrenched professionals whose entire existance is dependent on keeping any true populist out of power. These are parasites on the body politic, whose collective trillions derive from the fooling the public. Dean has made a mistake perhaps in going after everybody at once, in the mode of TR. He speaks his mind and refuses "handlers", so we hear on Hardball that he's going after concentration in the media, as well fighting back against attacks from the Dems. What seems to be happening in the primaries at least, is that with every attack by either Dems or GOP Dean gets greater support from a very motivated constituency, who are sick of hearing self-serving nonsense from both of 'em.