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To: John Soileau who wrote (168)	12/23/2003 2:32:23 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 190

ISM is full of this attitude, "hey, we're privileged Americans! We have the right to insert ourselves into a war zone with perfect safety! Of course, they saw us! They had to see us! Just because they were in an armored vehicle with small windows, and she was behind a mound of dirt, didn't mean they didn't see us!" "St Rachel" was not struck by the bulldozer, but killed by falling dirt. She died protecting an arms-smuggling tunnel in Rafah, let's not play games of pretend, shall we? look at Sharon's recent approval ratings shows the gulf which has developed between the views of the two Not much of a gulf, he still has majority support - which let me tell you, is unusual for Israeli PMs. And he recent moves were all designed to rejigger the internal support so that by next summer the far right will be out of the government and Labor will be back in. Because he must hold the center to succeed. But you've got your sample quotes, you don't need to understand anything more. As if your entire understanding of America came from Hollywood and Rush Limbaugh quotes.

To: John Soileau who wrote (168)	12/23/2003 5:35:15 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 190

Thanks John, I started composing something along those very same lines this morning and hesitated when I wasn't sure the "accidental death" comment referred to Rachel Corrie. Clearly, ideological blinders lead to some might peculiar lies being told. To me, this is the greatest disappointment about the Likudniks in Israel and their colonies in the White House and Pentagon. These people seem to simply be pathological liars. As if they believe that the endless repetition and amplification of deceit will create the phantasmagorical reality they seek. * NC: <<Zionism is not a religious movement>> JS: What a howler!You haven't a CLUE what you're talking about, You are too kind. I have a much harsher assessment. Nadine is a prevaricator and willfully distorts reality to comport with her fantasies of what a greater Israel will mean for her grandchildren. (Compare to the Messianic pronouncements in PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" where the Likudnik authors rave about the empire that "our grandchildren will thank us for!") * A look at Sharon's recent approval ratings shows the gulf which has developed between the views of the two. Surely you are not naive (or slavishly devoted) enough to equate the two? What kind of odds are you making on this proposition? I'm thinking about shooting some fish in this barrel. I've seen enough of the fawning infatuation that Nadine expresses for (dear) "Arik" to realize that we have a madwoman in fool swoon on our hands. *** I'll end this with an appropriate quote: " I wish you knew what you were talking about". We've been having some fun with quotes today elsewhere on SI. Here's a couple that seem germane..... “The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.” --H.L. Mencken "You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think." --Dorothy Parker