To: KonKilo who wrote (4751 ) 12/24/2003 3:26:01 PM From: Don Earl Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20039 <<<I think they are in for a nasty surprise next November.>>> As close as I can tell, the only surprises are for the majority who vote for the other guy. The system is no longer subject to anything as unpredictable - perhaps unfavorably predictable would be more more accurate - as a democratic vote representative of the will of the people. If control over the media is as tight as items such as the suppression of articles on electronic voting or suits against the President suggest, then something as simple publishing bogus poll results is a no brainer. 90% of the population could vote against Bush and the propaganda machine would promote the idea the polls were accurate and it was just a matter of someone somewhere else voting for him. At the same time, while any single observer's perspective is bound to be anecdotal, I'd tend to agree with the idea some of the lies are starting to come unraveled to a degree the big lie is under closer scrutiny. Like Honest Abe said, "It ain't safe to assume all of them are chumps.". On one hand you have a group of the criminally insane who will commit any atrocity imaginable to consolidate their power over the people, and on the other hand you have the people who value their liberty and don't want to be murdered while going about their daily affairs. I have a hard time viewing the situation as being much more stable than the program to enslave the people of Iraq. There are a lot of similarities to the civil unrest of the Vietnam era that gave rise to the Weather Underground. The main difference between then and now is 30 years ago the unrest was mainly limited to a so called "counter culture", made up mostly of very young adults, where today the unrest is a representative cross section of mainstream America. The opposition to turning America into a nation of slaves is growing a body, and it's hard saying what will happen if the body evolves to a point where it grows a brain. Obviously the Patriot Act is intended to address that eventuality by declaring martial law and shutting down the Internet. If things reach that stage before the Bush Cartel is brought to justice, it isn't going to be pretty. What happens when those who have already demonstrated their willingness to commit mass murders are sitting in bunkers with a finger on the trigger of plague and destruction?