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To: frankw1900 who wrote (21493)12/25/2003 5:59:35 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793731
 
Thanks for an early Christmas Morning Free Trade effort, Frank. Will fall on "deaf ears," I am afraid.

I am up late, as usual, here in Waikiki. I am listening to Christmas music as I type this. Got the door open on the Lanai and it's a crisp 73 degrees at 1AM. It will be up to about 83 degrees this afternoon as I moped past the Arizona on my way to a Christmas dinner overlooking Pearl Harbor.

I will be posting, off and on, during Christmas. I hope you all have a great day!



To: frankw1900 who wrote (21493)12/25/2003 9:41:54 AM
From: Lane3  Respond to of 793731
 
Frank, you said:

Much is said in this area about the bad effect free trade can have on, for example, US or European farmers. It's said they cannot compete with products from low wage countries unless they are subsidized. The accurate description is that they can not stay in business growing and selling the same product. They either must become more efficient or produce a different, or higher margin product.

And you also said:

The effect tariffs and especially subsidies have on folk in poor countries is devastating. Most folk in these places are employed in agriculture. The N American and European subsidies keep the world price of commodities such as wheat low. A farmer in Nigeria still has to produce to meet the world price if he is to sell his harvest and, generally speaking, he can't, because the billions $ subsidies in the foreign countries has pushed the price in the city too low. Therefore the Nigerian farmer can't make any money, can't borrow, can't reinvest in improvements, has no margin for error, thus cannot innovate, and is generally kept at subsistence level.

Since you seem to be trying to be persuasive on the subject of free trade, I will anticipate a reaction to your argument. It seems by those two statement that you're saying the American farmer has to adjust but the farmer from the poor country doesn't, rather that we should accommodate him with our policies. I think your argument would be stronger if you didn't leave the impression of a double standard or if you provided a rationale for the double standard.

(This was done so the middle class could beggar its children and get real estate rich in the process, but that's another topic).

At such time as you're up to a rant on that subject, I'd like to see it. <g>



To: frankw1900 who wrote (21493)12/25/2003 2:14:31 PM
From: MSI  Respond to of 793731
 
And a pleasant present to you, a brunch with all the trimmings, and a virtual mimosa toast from the Coast <clink!>

I'll respond in detail on the morrow, thanks for the thoughtful post. Since you took the time, we have things to discuss.

Meanwhile, our crew is off to the ranch to test some walkie-talkies, and various outdoorsie items

All the best to you and yours