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To: Lane3 who wrote (79778)	12/28/2003 5:16:40 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I think it depends on your definition of attribution. By your use of the term, for example, the Crusades are not attributable to Christianity. In fact, no bad acts of any kind can be attributable to Christianity in and of itself, since all Christianity really is is a belief that a given historic individual taught the way to enter Heaven. In fact, it's hard for me to come up with a single human belief that "in and of itself, cause and effect," caused any action. They may be factors, but not absolute causes. If that is the approach you choose to take to the concept of causality, you're right. It's not the approach, though, that I think most people would take.

To: Lane3 who wrote (79778)	12/28/2003 5:38:36 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Trying to keep the religious from imposing their religion VIA the state. The religious have every right to impose themselves LEGALLY, and without the aid of the state. The state should neither prop up, nor hinder, religion, or the way the religious privately impose themselves (within the law) on other people (although some religious insist that it hinders religion to have the government out of it, especially if government was historically IN the religion business, which imo means government made a mistake once that needs to be corrected, not protected in perpetuity. And when you consider what state sponsored religion has managed to do to religion in Europe, you'd think the religious might want the government out too, but maybe they don't know much about Europe.) So be very careful when you talk about imposition. The religious have every right to impose on you, within their legal rights, what most agnostics and atheists want (I hope) is to make sure that the government does not get in the business of such imposition. People who want the government to get in that business need to have their heads examined, imo. But we all want a different kind of world, and there are obviously some people out there who would be a lot more comfortable with a theocracy, or a government more aligned with theocracy, than I would be.