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To: marcos who wrote (5405)	12/28/2003 11:38:19 PM
From: teevee	Respond to of 8273

marcos, When it comes to "advanced meat recovery" no one can surpass the US media. It is moot whether or not is was Canadian feed, or American feed (which still allows animal protein in cattle feed) responsible for the mad cow disease, or the fact that "donwners" are culled in Canada before they even hit the killing floor, or the fact that "downers" are butchered and processed to be sold as ground beef in American grocery chains or turned into McDonalds hamburgers. Americans need to know it is safe to eat US beef food shoveled off the floor, processed, packaged and sold as healthy, nutricious food.

To: marcos who wrote (5405)	12/31/2003 12:14:43 PM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 8273

Theoretically there should be no BSE in the Argentinian herd wich is all range fed as well. And they cannot as we should not be able to, afford to feed them feedlot stuff. But when they come to market for 2 to 3 weeks prior, our range fed herd goes to a fattening or feedlot area. This is unavoidable, as our industry is not localized, but involves transportation and time, which means waiting for slaughter and market. And the rancher wants to achieve a greater weight fast. Translate water, and some alchemy. This means also that they inject the cattle with anti-biotics and hormones to help them gain weight fast. Protein fats seem to help too. The injections may be what people are missing as a possible cause. Probably anti-bi injections which are a proven cause of hamburger disease, could have a carrier or growth base that is contaminated with prions. This showed up in a bone meal substrate of a radio tracer in Britain and Canada a while back and some people died of BSE. (MDS labs scandal) Even with stgraight pasture feed, Cattle get BSE now and then. It could be from local injestion of scattered non grain material which is unavoidable. Farmers have been separating sheep and cattle with the staggers for centuries. But in times past it was a localized problem and did not spread within the herd and widely in refeeding of protein throughout the nation. Sheep are escpecially susceptible, but lamb has not been considered a suspect meat. Sheep offal should be considered suspect however. If the Argentinians did ever get a problem, we could be sure they would cover it up grandly as we don't expect good offices from this group, whose every move in any other area has been underhanded it would seem from the propaganda we read from companies who operate there. This is the danger in trusting to practices advertised. The Argentinan industry is also an export industry, which means it must drive cattle to a feedlot for slaughter en masse. Grain feed must be their the rule, which allows for contamination. Can the Argentinians afford testing? Would they report occurrences? The role of insecticide contaminants or other viruses has not been investigated. I am not sure we should be content to let the finger point at feedlot protein supplements. There is a natural disease pool, and the practice of widespread factory operations and import of breed from countries far and wide gaurantees the uncontrolled dissemination of these once localized pools, that would otherwise rarely cause alarm. These other possible sources, although not yet rules out are only suggested because they are a change in practice from ancient time, or even say 60 years ago, that is another factor, that may disturb the balance in some as yet unkown way. It should be rule out by more than knee jerk reason. EC<:-}