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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (517996)	12/31/2003 3:19:02 PM
From: Kenneth E. Phillipps	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769667

Minimum wage in 1968, adjusted for inflation, was $8.16 per hour. Now, what were you saying about those economic gains.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (517996)	12/31/2003 3:22:44 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

10. Neil Bush.. Bush-brother Neil admitted to "sex romps with women in Asia" as part of a deposition taken during his divorce from Sharon Bush. 9. Anonymous Dittohead.. Inspired by Rush Limbaugh's suggestion that Donovan McNabb is nothing but a product of that damn dirty liberal media. 8. House Republicans.. After the regulation 15 minutes, House Speaker Dennis Hastert kept the vote open for a full three hours while Republicans tried to round up enough votes to win. 7. Donald Rumsfeld.. Don is the proud recipient of the "Foot in Mouth" award. 6. Congressional Republicans.. the battle to canonize St. Ronnie of Reagan. 5. Ernest Gallet Elementary School.. It's good to tell lies. 4. The White House.. Tiptoe through Baghdad International Airport. 3. Diebold.. Memos are quite something, and detail a staggering degree of incompetence at the company. 2. Rush Limbaugh.. Things just keep getting worse and worse for the King of the Dittomonkeys. 1. George W. Bush.. Staying out of harms way with an inedible turkey. democraticunderground.com

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (517996)	12/31/2003 3:30:14 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

"...But under pressure to save such jobs for the native-born, the number of visas allowed under this program was reduced from 195,000 to 65,000 in October. So now, instead of having Indian workers come here, where they spent much of their earnings, companies are contracting with them to work in India, which is where they now spend their earnings." >>> That visa cap change is too recent to have had a measurable effect on the multi-year outsourcing trend. (And, the older, higher visa cap went unfullfilled in recent years - probably due to the tech bust....) "I asked you what you would do, given any position in a democratic US gov't, to stop outsourcing and movement of manufacturing offshore. You never answered. I now throw the question open to any opponent. The solutions must be legal, Constitutional, able to withstand legal challenge in the courts, and actually have some realistic chance of passing Congress." >>> To achieve the greatest efficiencies from Capitalism, all inputs must be transferable --- that includes labor and capital. >>> But it is also reasonable (to prevent a 'rush to the bottom') to condition transferability of labor to similar environmental and labor standards. >>> I would suggest that tax benefits be apportioned accordingly, and that 'tiers' of nations be established, to deliniate between nations where labor rights and environmental standards are equivalent to those prevailing in the US... and those with lesser levels of protection. >>> It would be fair to use the federal treaty-making process to encourage greater levels of protections in foreign nations... and to use the tax laws to give lesser benefits when jobs are moved to the more 'non-compliant' countries. (I believe it would be safe to say that North Korea and Burma would likely find themselves in the bottom tier....)