To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (36133 ) 1/1/2004 2:07:54 AM From: 2MAR$ Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621 There is more of the metaphyiscal in the materialist's POV that has just as much of the sense of the divine inherent in it . Such as the property of matter and energy not being destroyed or created and eternal , but ever changing forms . One does see the life cycle on the stellar plane with the birth and death of stars, and the heavier elements forming from their death novas , later to become the stuff from which carbon based life may evolve later on planets that cool sufficiently around newer younger stars. Quite an elegant process , and the earliest forms of Sun Worship in human societies were actually pretty near to the truth of all our origins . Occam's razor at work in the earliest societies? Hmmmmm.... .... and we see the many cycles on the planetary scale of the oceanic currents ( the atmosphere is also is a gaseous ocean too, and there be lightning & thunder !!) from which life was probably born . In the beginning , if one must choose to see one at all , there was only "one" , and that one was hydrogen ? And from the fusion in the core of stars long since gone , we all came hence. neat! Thunder and lightning are crucial too , from the lightning you get Nitrogen and ozone , the first rains down and becomes fixed in the soil by microbial action transforming one of nature's strongest chemical bonds into the usable nitrate forms which most all plant life needs to grow...just add sunlight, top-soil , and a little wind and stir. The latter above , ozone prtects as it were from the eye of God penetrating and getting to near in it's pure state that would kill mortal man. Why does there really ever have to be imagined a "beginning" at all ? Just infinite seasons of ages and eons without end . The challenge is just to learn to love , appreciate & enjoy the view ...it is an awesome one just by itself , sans the tribal mytholgical revisonist preocupations and their "chosen ones & elected " & stories in stone. Which seems like such an eternal thing too...for some. <gg> ;)