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To: Amy J who wrote (176351)	1/2/2004 11:09:31 AM
From: carl a. mehr	Respond to of 186894

Amy J, <<... why don't you start a company? Seriously, why not? You have the tools, money, you are highly intelligent, yet you are not starting a company and getting people employed?...>> Super article, Amy! Let the finger point back at ourselves... humble carl

To: Amy J who wrote (176351)	1/2/2004 1:41:39 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Respond to of 186894

Amy, How can you complain about a jobless recovery and in the same breath not complain about increasing our innovation in the USA? Because I think the market for products at least for business capex has been moved offshore, software and hardware for business is procured from offshore- and companies like Intel,Oracle,HP have led that charge. When they moved these huge operations offshore they took the market away too. In order to be an effective entrepreneur we need a robust market here, this would be the US based IT spending market, and as you know that segment is gone, probably for good. Carly and Ellison for sure are always touting offshore engineering talent because it is in their best interests, for their companies, to move offshore. HP can take share from Dell, she steals Mikes market when IT collapses in the US. In fact we have already seen that happen, Dell is losing share and HP gaining, not because HP makes a better product but mostly because IT in the US is going away, and Dell's model is very US-centric. This motivation of what is good for "my company" is paramount to the complaints they make about US engineering education, I believe. As you know I think AMDs locally designed and developed 64 bit chip line trumped intel masterfully. AMD relative to Intel is a tiny company, and a local company. Intel has a huge offshore R&D facility with hundreds of secret products which are supposed to be revolutionary... what happened? There are market forces pushing these businesses offshore imho, it is not engineeering talent. I will even go so far as to say it isn't really cost anymore because the dollar is so low relative to foreign currencies (except Yuan but that will change in 07) and the US engineering labor force is desperate for work so you can probably get people for cheap, or at least more competitive here than before. But the fact remains that by pushing the market offshore, these big companies actually ensure their survival. Only the super huge firms can market to asia effectively.