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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (20007)	1/4/2004 2:57:22 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81986

Raymond > That Chris Columbus, he was quite the weasel, wasn't he? The ethics of a swamp alligator combined with the ego of a pretender to a throne. Strikes me he would have done well in the present administration.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (20007)	1/5/2004 5:49:30 AM
From: mcg404	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81986

Ray, <Chris Columbus, he was quite the weasel> Just one of many who committed 'atrocities as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress'. Try Cocker's 'Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold: Europe's Conquest of Indigenous Peoples' amazon.com if you have any thoughts that Columbus was the exception. Actually, what i immediately found interesting about zinn was his discussion of the biases of history writers. Certainly not the first to explore that issue but i found his perspective interesting - how did you say it, telling history from the viewpoint of the losers? My point is not to grieve for the victims and denounce the executioners. Those tears, that anger, cast into the past, deplete our moral energy for the present. And the lines are not always clear. In the long run, the oppressor is also a victim...I don't want to invent victories for people's movements. But to think that history-writing must aim simply to recapitulate the failures that dominate the past is to make historians collaborators in an endless cycle of defeat. John