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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3156)	1/5/2004 8:54:32 AM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3959

May I ask why you think that the federal government is not going against extremists on the right? These nuts are subject to prosecution. The abortion bombers are just as much terrorists and should be punished as some OBL terrorist. There is no evidence, even though many in the administration are supposedly prolife, that they do not target those who commit criminal acts.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3156)	1/5/2004 9:28:02 AM
From: Chas.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Anytime a group of individuals cause death and destruction in the manner of the radical Islamic fundamentalists that carried out the 9/11 attack on the WTC and leave written documentation to the effect that they are carrying out the wishes of Mohammed and Allah........then I say we have a religious problem here in the USA and the World and we will visit the terrorists that create these crimes and deliver onto them a message of our own. Chinu.....That is a reality. regards....Chuck

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3156)	1/5/2004 10:35:25 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

Chinu. You said...." the groups that terrroized this nation with the anthrax scare etc.".... ....." There are groups in the US who could initiate a bio terror attack similar to the anthrax one.".... And who might they be? You said....." But here we have group of religious fanatics flooding the media spreading religious hate.".... Then you say...." End of matter. No anti religious posts on this thread. THIS IS NOT A FORUM or a PROPAGANDA PLATFORM FOR PROMOTING THAT."..... So why are you doing it?? You said...." Islam is here to stay in the US and so are other religions, period.".... Well of course they are. You are not paying attention. I and others keep saying to you that islam must change not disappear. What is wrong with you ? why can't you see that islam in it's present 1500 year old religious laws do NOT fit in to days civilized societies. Period. You said...." This is a nation founded on trust in God."... Sure, agreed. But which God do you refer to? which of the islam Gods? sunni? shite, wahabbi, etc.etc. You said...." The atheist are free not to trust in God and they will not be prosecuted nor discriminated against of of their non-trust in God.".... Don't know if you noticed but the atheist's are being very successful at having any reference to God in our countries removed from courts, schools etc.etc Why do you bring up so many religious topics yet condemn others for complaining about islam terrorist murders? Oh and I think atheist's don't believe in God I don't think it's a case of non-trust.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3156)	1/5/2004 10:42:23 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

chinu. You said...." End of matter. No anti religious posts on this thread. THIS IS NOT A FORUM or a PROPAGANDA PLATFORM FOR PROMOTING THAT. ".... Chinu. Here are the suggested topics suggested by YOU when you started this moderated thread. Notice items # 4 and # 7 And perhaps # 6 as islam terrorists are the cause of to days war on terrorism and islam is a religion. Right? Do you see a tiny conflict here? And do you recall personally inviting me to talk on these topics on this thread not to long ago? Or do I need to try and find that personal invitation from you to refresh your memory? :-) 1. The relevance of United Nation's mission and purpose? 2. The African scene: aid, hunger, fight against diseases? 3. War against terrorism: America's war or a war for all nations to participate? 4. One nation "under God", separation of religion and state or embracing atheism? 5. Should we hold our elected officials to a higher moral standard and why? 6. Clash of civilizations or is it terror? 7. The basis of a nation's formation: religion, race or both?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3156)	1/5/2004 7:25:20 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

Third Communique from 'Islamic Bayan Movement' Warns of an Upcoming Terrorist Attack: 'We Are Capable of Destroying an American City' January 5, 2004 No.14 memri.org Third Communique from 'Islamic Bayan Movement' Warns of an Upcoming Terrorist Attack: 'We Are Capable of Destroying an American City' A third communique attributed to the "Islamic Bayan Movement" threatening attacks in the U.S. was published on an Islamist Web site. The communique, titled "Very Urgent - From the Nation of Islam to the American People," was published at groups.yahoo.com . The new (third) communique, which was published today and is dated December 21, reads: "We are serious in this warning. The next few days will prove to you this warning was genuine... This lying government knows well that we are capable, right now, of destroying an American city in its entirety. We repeat, in its entirety..." [signed] The Islamic Bayan Movement Ansar Ibn Al-Qamar 27 of Shawwal, 1424 [December 21, 2003] Previous Communiques The two previous communiques had called on Muslims to leave New York, Los Angeles, and Washington, D.C. in order for their lives to be spared. The second opened: "All that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth glorifies Allah. He is the Mighty, the Wise. It is He who turned out the disbelievers from among the People of the Book from their homes at the time of the first banishment. You did not think that they would go forth and they thought that their fortresses would protect them against Allah. But Allah came upon them whence they did not expect and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their homes with their own hands and the hands of the believers. So take warning, O ye who possess understanding." The following are excerpts from the communiqué: "The sufferings of your Muslim brothers and of the Mujahideen around the world is no secret to you, our brothers. [They suffer] oppression, tyranny, imprisonment, murder, and banishment by the masters of oppressions and lies in the world, the American rulers, who think [of] themselves as good-doers. Allah is the witness that they write the end of America by their own hands... "Afghanistan and Iraq are not far away. Their sons there [i.e. U.S. soldiers] are frustrated and defeated and they ask 'why are we here?' Yes, they are the only ones who know the bitter truth. How would they not when they see every day dozens of casualties from among their friends, the soldiers who die and nobody, even not their stupid rulers, is sorry for them. Then they hear the lies and distortion their rulers [tell] their people and the peoples of the world regarding the number of their dead and heavy losses... "Our Muslim brothers in America, we ask you to immediately leave the following cities: Washington, DC, New York, and Los Angeles. We are serious in our warning. The next few days will prove to you the truth of this warning. To the oppressive rulers of America we say: expect our terms following the first strike of Allah's believing soldiers." The communiqué ends with another Koranic verse: "Fight them: Allah will punish them at your hands, and will humiliate them, and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers."[Koran, Chapter 9, Verse 14].

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3156)	1/6/2004 3:47:45 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 3959

Re: If Bush is serious about fighting terrorism, then why is he not going after those pro lifers who terrorize the US, why is he not going after the Aryan nation, the groups that terrrorized this nation with the anthrax scare etc. 'cause Dubya doesn't want the "war on terrorism" to be waged at home --he wants it to be waged abroad. Bush doesn't want to start a SECOND U.S. Civil War.... Gus Recommended read: A State of Disobedience by Tom Kratman baen.com

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (3156)	1/6/2004 5:23:34 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

If Bush is serious about fighting terrorism, then why is he not going after those pro lifers who terroize the US, why is he not going after the Aryan nation, Know anything about Eric Rudolph? Did you know the Aryan Nations were forced into bankruptcy by a private lawsuit which won a $6 million award. The FBI vigorously pursued their militant wing, "The Order" who were responsible for numerous bank robberies, as well assassinations and bombings of Jews and their synagogues. nizkor.org I've personally had to deal with the Aryan Nations. And so far as I'm concerned, I'd be more than happy to treat them like we do Islamic militants. The problem is that they are US citizens, and guaranteed the rights which that citizenship provides to them. Hawk