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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4887)	1/5/2004 1:16:46 PM
From: Rick McDougall	Respond to of 20039

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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4887)	1/5/2004 2:45:30 PM
From: Don Earl	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 20039

Ray, Speaking of photos, I recall seeing one of the piece with holes in it, but can't remember where I saw it. My research method a lot of times is a more or less free association of random ideas. Sometimes it turns up pay dirt and sometimes it doesn't. My most recent random idea was that I don't know what the end of a piece of steel would look like if it was hit with an explosive charge, so my thought was to see if I could find a photo and compare it to the WTC piece. So far I haven't had much luck, but ran across these items while looking: This one is related to using cutting charges to sink a boat: bcdiving.com <<<There were 15 cutting charges in place, 1 at the stern and 7 along each side. The charges will heat the steel in front of them to 10000 degrees Fahrenheit and the steel vaporized and the vessel will begin to sink.>>> This one is a pdf file (which I hate) which I though had some pretty good photos and discussion on the effects of explosives. sainc.com <<<The forces in metals in contact with detonating explosive are often 100 to 1000 time the strength of the metal. Any imperfection in the explosive may cause tearing of the metal. Everyone who has worked with explosives has seen unexpected marks and tears in metal fragments, but apparently little has been published about such features.>>> If I was a professional researcher, with a fat bankroll, I'd just pick up a few I-beams and half a dozen different types of explosives, then start blowing the ends off the beams to see what happens. Maybe see if a thin layer of concrete, with rocks in it, blows holes through the metal in places. Maybe deform some demolition tape with heat to see what it looks like. Burning an end off with incendiaries might be a good project also. In the mean time, I guess we'll just have to settle for the theory it was magically dipped in acid rain which made it possible for a puddle of kerosene to melt it. Perhaps I'm lucky I'm not a professional. That was one of their ideas. Oh well.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4887)	1/5/2004 6:05:32 PM
From: nz_q	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

THE WTC WAS DESIGNED TO SURVIVE THE IMPACT OF A BOEING 767, SO WHY DIDN'T IT? Analysis, diagrams, Overall, it comes as a great surprise that the impact of a Boeing 767 bought down either tower. Indeed, many experts are on record as saying that the towers would survive the impact of the much larger and faster Boeing 747. In this regard, see professor Astaneh-Asl's simulation of the crash of the much, much larger and heavier Boeing 747 with the World Trade Center. Professor Astaneh-Asl teaches at the University of California, Berkeley. libertyforum.org Controlled demolition at WTC: ongoing developments... 911-strike.com

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4887)	1/9/2004 3:50:30 PM
From: nz_q	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

OTHER VIDEOS OF THE COLLAPSE OF 7 WORLD TRADE the second MPEG has some descent resolution interesting pics/comments whatreallyhappened.com "Take a close look at the manner in which WTC 7 collapses straight down. For this building to collapse in this fashion, ALL of the load bearing supports would have had to fail (or be cut) at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME. The claim that the collapse was the result of a fire requires the fire be equally distributed throughout the entire floor of the building, providing equal heat for an equal amount of time, so that all the load bearings members would fail at the exact same moment. Do you think this happens by chance?" And what was burning at the lower floors that destroyed all columns at onse? What hit WTC7 and what started the fires?