To: TrueScouse who wrote (26380 ) 1/5/2004 11:51:29 PM From: hank2010 Respond to of 39344 Mandela was (is?) a friend of Castro etc. and I winced when the commie terrorist sob was released from prison and was applauded as a hero. However, if it had not been for Mandela, South Africa could easily have erupted in a blood-bath. He could have become a tyrant and supreme ruler etc. and "let slip the dogs of war" very easily but made the decision to use his skills and popularity to heal the divisions between the races. I admire the man! Africa needs many more such leaders. He is still very much anti-USA but at least he is not plotting, aiding, or encouraging others to use violence against those people and countries with whom he does not agree. As for Mugabe! In the words of a good Zim friend "we had so much hope when we gained our independence, but we did not think our own leaders would betray us". It is too bad for the people of Zimbabwe that the man has lived so long. Invade South Africa! What is left of the Zim economy is tied to SA, including all oil products which have to be imported. Hard to fight a mech. war without fuel. 70% of Zim is Shona (Mugabe's tribe) but 25% is Matabele which is part of the SA Zulu tribe. Mugabe would have to go thru Matabeleland to get to Beitbridge on the SA border. Info that whites are the backbone of the Zim army is way out of date. I have never seen a white military man in Zim in the last 5 years. There may be some techies in the airforce or other high tech areas. Met Chuck Ivy (a Torontonian by birth and Colonel in the British army) who was sent to Zim after the end of the terrorist war or the war of liberation (depending which side you were on). He said Margaret Thatcher sent him to put together the Zimbabwe Republican Army from the forces of the ZANU(Mugabe, Shona and the Red Chinese), ZAPU (Matabele and the Russians) and the white Rhodies "by mixing them in one pot and making a good stew". Chuck said all the whites left as soon as their terms of enlistment had expired. Apparently, Mugabe organized a brigade which went into Matabeleland and raised havoc including one case of top guys rounded up, locked in a house and then set afire. Press got a hold of that, and Chuck in an effort to keep a lid on things downplayed the level of violence. English press got a hold of Chuck's remarks and quoted them (out of context according to Chuck) in the British press. Apparently, Maggie went thru the roof when she read the remarks. Chuck quietly resigned from the British army. He was given Zim citizenship and still lives there. But the Matabele still remember the atrocities carried out by Mugabe's people. I can not remember the name of the ZAPU war-time leader, but for the good of the country he signed a treaty with Mugabe, was made VP and died early on from cancer. Too bad, he may have served as a check on Mugabe.