To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (36202 ) 1/5/2004 9:06:56 PM From: Berry Picker Respond to of 39621 I was kidding about Bush Futurists however have named so many men now that it would not surprise me if people thought Bush was the "antichrist" Problem is that the antichrist was already arriving when John worte his epistles. 1 John 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last hour, and, according as ye have heard that antichrist comes, even now there have come many antichrists, whence we know that it is the last hour. John told Christians of his day that they could expect the antichrist and he used a term found nowhere else in the New Testament He said Last Hour Other terms were used earlier by New Testament writers: In this verse James say to those who would not repent who were alive when he was that they had labour for money but that it was to their own peril. James 5:3 Your gold and your silver are rusted; and their rust shall be for a testimony against you, and shall eat your flesh as fire. Ye have laid up your treasure in the last days. James says they had laid up their treasure in the "last days" Last days is a larger term than "last hour" It is obvious that when John wrote his epistle that the antichrist was already alive and much closer to appearing then the other verses concerning such. John is the only author to use the term "antichrist". Another similar reference: Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; The author of Hebrew (which I can prove was Paul) called even the days that Jesus was preaching as a part of the last days. Jesus told the story of a man who rented a field but the men would not give to the owners servants the rent they owed. The man then decided to send his son and said that they would hear Him, but instead they said - "hey this is the heir, if we kill him we will inherit the field for ourselves" Jesus was talking about Israel and the rejection of Jesus was the beginning of the Last Days. We are long past the last days Sidney = but for you to believe it first you would have to believe scripture and understand what the "last days" are actually the last days of. They are not the last days of the existence of the planet as most people have been taught :-) Luke 20:14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. 16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. The Jews who were listening knew exactly what Jesus was saying in that parable and said "God forbid" Sidney - have you ever spent any time studying the word Generation? It would really help you to see that expecting the antichrist today is just extremely poor biblical exegesis. Yes Jesus came already ( a second time ) in 70 AD on a Cloud as He said He would. However to understand what that means ones also needs to study the meaning and the various times that God appeared on earth in a cloud or "riding on a cloud" etc. Bibilcal terms are meant to mean what they meant when they were penned and not what we may think those same kinds of words and phrase mean to us in our modern world. Much of what is said in scripture is hyperbole and those who take such statements literally may as well round outside to get a new pet when they hear someone say it is "raining cats and dogs" Brian