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To: michael97123 who wrote (23176)	1/6/2004 12:42:08 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793649

The most effective strategy for looking at history is to assume most political leaders are lying most of the time, and look at the observable facts instead. Some terrorism occured during Clinton, but as soon as Bush came in it escalated dramatically. Sure, it's a "coincidence". But public records have been suppressed on the causes and unanswered questions on 911, without good explanations, along with the history of PNAC and the neocons, who stated a desire to attack Iraq in particular years ago for purposes of control of the ME, just waiting for an incident to justify it. Stated reasons for the war haven't been consistent, but the benefits to Bush have. That gives rise to suspicions on motive and the "take over the world" empire-building charges. A lot of Dean supporters share those suspicions. To your other question, Dean's statements are that we should concentrate on going after Al Queada, and he agrees with General Zinni. Terrorism is not a mirage, whether exacerbated by Bush or not. econ4dean.typepad.com msnbc.msn.com In Dean's speech Monday in Los Angeles ... in the past dozen years, he supported four military interventions: the Persian Gulf War waged by Bush's father, Clinton's campaigns in Bosnia and Kosovo, and the invasion of Afghanistan. "As president, I will never hesitate to deploy our armed forces to defend our country and its allies and to protect our national interests," Dean will say, according to a draft of the speech provided by the campaign. "People have equated his opposition to the war in Iraq to a peacenik approach to foreign policy," said Daalder, a National Security Council staffer under Clinton. "That's not where he comes from." Dean plans to say he will put troops "in harm's way only when the stakes warrant," after postwar planning has been done, and after "we level with the American people about the relevant facts." In the speech, Dean also will call for returning the National Guard to home-front duties and limiting its role in overseas conflicts. He will propose the creation of a new fund to combat the spread of weapons of mass destruction" Dean gets hit from the doves for the role of American military in the world ccmep.org The opinion is that Iraq now is a mess that must be cleaned up. Dean claims it was an irresponsible move, and made America much less secure by stressing available resources, reducing needed support from the rest of the world, creating more terrorists recruits, and cutting back on the real needs in the terrorist war.

To: michael97123 who wrote (23176)	1/6/2004 1:01:54 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793649

With the exception of guns, dean is a cultural liberal and bush a cultural conservative. That involves issues like abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage, etc. Dean's against any national position on gay marriage, leaving it to states to determine whether to authorize civil unions or not. Dean's position is more "culturally conservative" than those in the GOP who suggest a national law on something not in the Constitution. Much of the cultural conserative conflicts are a calculated distraction, and traps for Dems. Nobody likes abortion, even the abortion rights activists. The question is whether gov't should be involved in the issue. Like race, it's a terrific knee-jerk issue to mobilize the populace into giving money to one side or the other. I expect Dean will avoid these divisive issues to the extent possible. Bush, otoh, is decidedly unconservative when it comes to intrusions into personal life, and secretive and all-powerful central gov't.