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To: MSI who wrote (23199)	1/6/2004 2:48:17 PM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 793647

Just once, I'd like to see you actually provide credible, factual evidence to support your wild speculation & to this point, your clearly baseless assertions. "The Bush arrogance is a disregard for human life, in favor of ivory-tower neocon strategies." Based on what alternate reality? "We do have an extraordinary number of neocon cohorts who have schemed for decades on the M.E." Based on what alternate reality? "an extraordinary number of neocon cohorts who .... they can bypass certain niceties, like due process and the truth." Based on what alternate reality? "The situation in Iraq is an issue because we did not have that debate." Based on what alternate reality? "Instead we were force-fed nonsense and falsehoods, and our esteemed reps in Congress, at least 75 of them, were told to expect remotely-piloted planes carrying nukes or germ warfare to the US if they didn't move immediately. These were outright lies. This kind of hijacking of the process is nothing short of criminal." Actually, these assertions are nothing but lies & gross exaggerations at best. How about some real specific factual, credible evidence to support these assertions, just this one time?

To: MSI who wrote (23199)	1/6/2004 3:16:20 PM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 793647

"Instead we were force-fed nonsense and falsehoods, and our esteemed reps in Congress, at least 75 of them, were told to expect remotely-piloted planes carrying nukes or germ warfare to the US <font size=4>if they didn't move immediately."<font size=3> How was this alleged point new to them? Are you saying all 75 of the "reps" forgot this speech, "President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat"? Are you saying that all 75 of them completely forgot what Bush said on October 7th, 2002, to the whole world & can be easily accessed on the internet? ....We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States. And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack; all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it..... whitehouse.gov And where has this potential threat been completely debunked?<font size=4> STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP October 2, 2003 Iraq was continuing to develop a variety of UAV platforms and maintained two UAV programs that were working in parallel, one at Ibn Fernas and one at al-Rashid Air Force Base. Ibn Fernas worked on the development of smaller, more traditional types of UAVs in addition to the conversion of manned aircraft into UAVs. This program was not declared to the UN until the 2002 CAFCD in which Iraq declared the RPV-20, RPV-30 and Pigeon RPV systems to the UN. All these systems had declared ranges of less than 150km. Several Iraqi officials stated that the RPV-20 flew over 500km on autopilot in 2002, contradicting Iraq's declaration on the system's range. The al-Rashid group was developing a competing line of UAVs. This program was never fully declared to the UN and is the subject of on-going work by ISG. Additional work is also focusing on the payloads and intended use for these UAVs. Surveillance and use as decoys are uses mentioned by some of those interviewed. Given Iraq's interest before the Gulf War in attempting to convert a MIG-21 into an unmanned aerial vehicle to carry spray tanks capable of dispensing chemical or biological agents, attention is being paid to whether any of the newer generation of UAVs were intended to have a similar purpose. This remains an open question.