To: Hawkmoon who wrote (122899 ) 1/7/2004 6:18:18 PM From: Jacob Snyder Respond to of 281500 Both you and Sam Citron recently questioned an assertion I made, on two different topics. Notice the difference in how I replied. With Sam, I looked for hard data, numbers to support my opinion, and couldn't find it. So I retracted it, plainly saying that I couldn't find numbers, facts, and links to prove my original assertion. The data just wasn't there, when I bothered to look for it. <Even now, you've presented no evidence to support your position on the topic...And that's the problem..> Actually, I have already posted exactly where I got my data. I told you the book (I doubt it's online, but you can probably get it at any large library). The author is the world's most highly-respected authority in the field (you diss her, by calling her biased and emotional, an assertion you make without bringing any relevant facts to back it up). You bring up irrelevant data from other species, and pathological behavior only seen in zoo populations. This, in addition to your constant Coulter-esque shriek of "Treason!" OK, I'll make it very very simple for you. Look on page 545, the passage which begins, "The Gombe chimpanzees, in fact, seem to have an almost instinctive horror of being soiled with excrement and only very rarely have been seen to touch feces (their own or another's) with their bare hands. If a chimpanzee accidentally becomes smeared with the feces of another, the offending substance is wiped off carefully with leaves..." So, the problem is not that I "presented no evidence". The problem is your knee-jerk rejection of any and all of Jacob Snyder's opinions. And your infinite ability to ignore evidence that doesn't support your opinion. And your use of Coulter's debate techniques.