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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (176449)	1/8/2004 6:59:58 PM
From: TGPTNDR	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Lizzie, Re: < I think this might be more acceptable if some companies who are large offshorers like Microsoft and Oracle didn't literally fall apart after they started engaging in the practice. > Reminds me of a book published back in '92. "Decline and Fall of the American Programmer" by Yourdon. I read it at the time and decided it was foolish. A couple of years later he came out with another book. "Rise & Resurrection of the American Programmer". Never did get around to reading that one. And it reminds me of a programmer I worked with. English as a second or third language. (She was Chinese.) We'd give her a spec. in English, then explain it to her, and you could ALMOST see the cogs grinding to a halt as she tried to relate it all. She was not familiar with the subject matter and was weak in English. The C code produced was a wonder to behold. Tough reading. In theory that problem doesn't occur with India, but in my experience there is more frequently a disjoint there than when working locally. But you gotta look at the bright side. Cigarettes are only around $0.10/pack over there. -tgp

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (176449)	1/10/2004 10:32:37 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Hi Lizzie, agree with you that we can't close our revenue sources for our US companies. But I wonder if Congress realizes how much our USA companies are now dependent upon foreign revenue & offshoring --- we could have had a Detroit situation here, but we fortunately didn't because everyone was competitively proactive: cnn.com "Critics: Detroit has high murder rate, few restaurants Of the 10 largest U.S. cities, Detroit had the highest per capita homicide rate last year -- 39 per 100,000 residents. Once a booming industrial city with a population approaching 2 million a half-century ago, Detroit is fighting to attract people" RE: "doubt there is anything congress can or will do" Election year. No President since ~1960 has won an election in the face of a job losses and 1,000 was borderline. So Congress may be unfortunately motivated to pass legislation that will ultimately hurt all of us in the USA, because this is an election year. This could be a dangerous year for everyone in our industry as a whole - employees, investors, corporations. If we wanted to work in a broken, slower-to-innovate industry, we would have picked Detroit. There's a reason why Detroit is the way it is. There is a reason why Silicon Valley is not battered the way Detroit is. We didn't work this hard in our careers, only to have Congress dump us right back into something we left, by ruining the hightech industry with harmful legislation. RE: math in USA sciam.com "The final results of the Third International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) had just been released, and Americaís high school seniors had placed near the back of the pack." Does Congress want a Detroit, or do they want to reinvent Silicon Valley thru the next innovation with scientists? Regards, Amy J