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To: Lane3 who wrote (23786)1/10/2004 8:52:21 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander  Respond to of 793854
 
Yes, in a two-party-system everything is mostly impossible, but in the rest of the world one can even form coalitions just for a local election, either to combine what one has in common, or the opposite.

I guess that is why the two-party system never got adopted but by some colonies.

Has FEC put out any information on this??

fec.gov

Or are they just happily gerrymandering around??



To: Lane3 who wrote (23786)1/10/2004 9:10:15 PM
From: X Y Zebra  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793854
 
Well, Hello K, what a nice surprise... [on the other hand...] this means, I am afraid, I am delving into dangerous threads, as I remember you mingle with some... ahem less than reputable characters... -lol no doubt looming in the background with bazooka ready at the aim and fire upon me, poor, defenseless me. -g

You've got that one pegged. It's a bitch of a choice.

But of course I do...

After a lifetime of attending private catholic schools, with brainy close relatives ranging from socialist political advisors, [who if it was up to them, would have sent me to Cuba for early brain-washing about the "wisdom" of Uncle Fidel ideology]; to undercover, (but de-facto) representatives of the Vatican -ggg [who without hesitation had me attend --at the ripe old age of 6 years old-- a seminar under the pretense and pretext of learning about the guilt ridden preparations for first communion, and indeed force me to perform the deed under a garb not unlike that of Rasputin, the evil monk –I only agreed after being threatened of being withdrawn from the school soccer team] --all in the same family-- I, a pure Laissez Faire Capitalist at heart, learned at an early age to defend myself for survival in a sea filled with sharks from both sides.

As usual, It was my mama who save me and allowed me at age 14 to exercise the freedom of choice --so much denied to many of my mates-- and tell the local priest that I was abandoning the "flock" and although I requested his official acknowledgement of my desire, the bastard took the cheap route and under the pretext that I was a minor --never mind I had my mother's authorization and backing-- declined to issue the document, so I unilaterally told him I was out.

From that day on, I have been free of the influence of gods and demons alike.... [Thank me] -g

Every time I played soccer with the school team and we beat the seminar’s team was immensely rewarding –LOL !! [and they were one of the best teams around too]

Good to read you and Happy New Year...

[And thanks for the warning, unintended as it is, to watch out for the wackos of SI] -ggg



To: Lane3 who wrote (23786)1/10/2004 9:42:36 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793854
 
Hard to believe there is a "Hunger Lobby." I did business with the man who ran a major homeless shelter in LA. He caught the train in every day from Orange County, was met by a car, and took at least three Cruise vacations a year.

Of Fuzzy Math and 'Food Security'
By TOM ZELLER New York Times

WE are not concerned with the very poor," wrote E. M. Forster in "Howard's End," his 1910 novel of culture and class. "They are unthinkable, and only to be approached by the statistician or the poet."

Where the statistician ends, however, and the poet - or the politician or the advocate or the salesman - begins has long dogged the science of probability and averages. And to the extent that Americans are concerned with the very poor, it is not surprising that cold numbers and impressionistic reasoning should mingle uneasily.

Take the annual survey of homelessness and hunger published by the United States Conference of Mayors, a nonpartisan organization encompassing 1,183 cities with populations of 30,000 or more. The 2003 installment arrived in mid-December, and as it has for each of the last 16 years, the survey reported an increase in "demand for emergency food" - this time by 17 percent.

The figure was quickly noted in the press.

"Homelessness, Hunger Worsen,'' was the Boston Globe headline. The Washington Post had it as "Survey Indicates More Go Hungry, Homeless.'' And an editorial in The New York Times cited the survey in taking note of "continuing increases in hunger and homelessness in the nation's major cities.''

According to a chart included with the results of the survey, which was conducted in 25 major cities, demand for food assistance increased by a sizeable percentage every year since 1988. (The best year, 1995, had a 9 percent increase; the worst, 1991, was up 26 percent.) But the math behind that trend had, for the last several years, caught the eye of the conservative Heritage Foundation, which published a pre-emptive rebuttal a few days before the survey was released.

"Policy makers should be wary of the claims of 'increasing hunger' that are likely to be made in the upcoming 2003 U.S. Conference of Mayors report," the foundation's paper warned.

So what's the real story? Social ills like hunger and need for food assistance are notoriously difficult to measure. In a flagging economy, or even in boom times, those on the front lines - soup kitchen operators and food bank administrators, who must rely on donations and government subsidies - are always in the shadow of a shortfall. So it is not surprising that the mayors' survey, which relies primarily on the collected impressions (and varied recordkeeping) of these agencies, would consistently report an increase in demand.

"We can argue about the numbers and the methodology," said Steve Brady, the president of the Sodexho Foundation, which supports hunger-related initiatives and was a co-sponsor of the mayors' survey. "But it is certainly a clear indicator that the country as a whole is experiencing this problem."

In publishing a table titled "Hunger and Homelessness in America's Cities: A 16-Year Comparison of Data," however, the mayors' survey suggests an annual percentage increase that proves difficult to track. When asked for the numbers behind the percentages, Eugene Lowe, the assistant executive director for community development and housing for the mayors' conference, said there weren't any.

The mayors' conference, Mr. Lowe explained, requests the percentage change in demand from each city, and from that publishes an annual average percentage change for all the cities in the study. "The cities do the research themselves," Mr. Lowe said.

The Heritage Foundation took that methodology to task, comparing the rate of increase implied by the mayors' data with measures taken by the Census Bureau and the Department of Agriculture. Those agencies have found a slight rise in what the government calls "food insecurity" (see chart at right) in the last few years, but it remains lower than in 1995. The mayors' report has demand for emergency food rising an average of 16 percent a year in the same period.

"No set of data is perfect," said Melissa G. Pardue, an author of the Heritage Foundation analysis. She pointed to Census Bureau figures on the topic, which are generally considered to be too low. "But the undercount is expected to be roughly the same from year to year," she said, which means the trend should be a fairly accurate snapshot of changes in demand. That snapshot is at odds with the mayors' findings.

It is also not likely, according to Mark Nord, a sociologist with the Agriculture Department, that trends spotted in the 25 cities surveyed would so drastically deviate from national trends. "There are a lot of weaknesses in the methodology of the mayors' report," he said. "In terms of identifying trends, it's not a very good source for that."

OF course, neither side in the debate wants to divert attention from the millions of Americans who, at one time or another, need help getting enough to eat. And Mr. Lowe of the mayors' conference said it was a mistake to turn their numbers into something they are not.

"There are always people who will try to use these percentages to reflect the actual number of people" seeking emergency food aid, he said. "But you cannot do this with our numbers." Instead, Mr. Lowe said, the trend simply shows that the pressure on the informal and formal networks intended to address this problem is always great.

The Heritage Foundation concedes this point. "It's certainly important that we're talking about this," Ms. Pardue said. "But using exaggerated numbers is not helpful to the debate and to the needs of those people who, in the midst of a recession, may actually be hungry."

Or as a quotation attributed to the late business professor Aaron Levenstein has it: "Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital."

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company