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To: Stan who wrote (36350)	1/12/2004 12:53:24 AM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

I believe that the resurrection is not focused on our "bodies" To be quite honest - I do not know exactly what our bodies will be like - I cannot know - I was not there. The resurrection is about the "saving of our souls" There has been much discussion on what "kind of bodies" we are raised with. I think the reason Paul said THOU FOOL was because of the way the men were arguing against a resurrection. It is perfectly recorded that there was much uproar between the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Matthew 16:1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven It is interesting that these two who fought tooth and nail over the resurrection were in unity when it came to challenging Christ. Paul used this battle more than once to get them fighting among themselves when they 'in supposed unity' dragged him into court. I find it hilarious - Paul was no fool - and this must have been terribly entertaining to the unbelieving Roman judges and authorities. Acts 23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. 7 And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided. 8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both. Now is it not in line with this division that the argument was also now coming from within the body of those who now believed in Christ that there should be some of the Sadducee mindset that would be saved but deny a resurrection? It is no surprise at all - it they who Paul calls fools. Why? Because they argued from carnal and scientific reasoning. They would have stated that it is not possible for that which has turned to dust and perhaps even the same dust that had constituted another human being to be resurrected. Who would those 'atoms' the one who had them first? Would those who had them later need to go without certain parts? I am speculating about their arguments but Paul is telling them that just because their carnal bodies had died and rotted does not prove that their is NO resurrection. Paul does say that what is "planted" is not what is "reaped" Look Stan.. 1 Cor 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. Paul is saying that if there be no resurrection then nothing makes sense. He then says that some would say... 35 ¶ But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: You see - arguing about 'what body' was an argument meant to make resurrection basically physically impossible. We know that IF God wanted to find the same atoms that our bodies were made of and put them together he could but Paul does not say that - he says that they are using foolish and carnal thinking expecting men to get back the same bodies they had when they died. Look: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be,but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: Paul says that our present bodies by analogy are but bare grain I do not know about you but thinking that this glorious body that I now have is but BARE GRAIN compared to the body I am to receive sends chills up and down this body of bare grain as I write. Look at what else Paul says: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. We are not getting back 'natural bodies' but rather "spiritual bodies" I like that. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. Adam was made from dust being the first man and to dust returned the second adam - Jesus Christ - was not made from dust but conceived of by the Holy Ghost !!! WOW !!! His body did not return to dust. Psalm 16 51 ¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, Paul said that not all of them would die before this would happen but that those of them who were alive until the second coming would also be changed even though their bodies were not "planted" They too would be changed - their bodies were not to remain the same. 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. I believe that death has been swallowed up in Victory. That happened when the graves were opened and those who remained alive were all changed and caught up in a "twinkling of an eye" in a brief "moment" Before Christ - no one when they died went to heaven - they could not. The bible plainly teaches that the blood of bulls and goats can never take away sin - only the blood of the lamb. The way into heaven was not made manifest until Christ came and went into the holy of holy not made by human hands at the right hand of the Father. Jesus was made both Lord and King and seated on the true throne of David in heaven at the right hand of the father where he stayed for 40 years while the wicked rulers of the church persecuted all whom he sent to them. Matthew 23:34 ¶ Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. When they had filled up the cup of iniquity of their forefathers then Jesus returned in wrath and vengeance upon them. Not one stone of their precious temple stood upon another. The old covenant that had been 'waxing old' perished completely and the grave gave up the dead that it had held through all other ages. At last men could enter into the true promised land in heaven. Before that no one went to heaven except Jesus - the 'first fruits' and the first begotten of the dead. Christ when he died first went to 'paradise' or the 'bossom of Abraham' he after three days arose from their and was seen of some for 40 days he was then taken up into heaven to be seated at the right hand of the Father. Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; When this next verse was penned no one except Christ had gone to heaven: John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. That is not longer true - when we die we get a glorified spiritual body... what it is exactly like - I do not have a clue but we go immediately to be with the Lord. We do not have to wait for the earthly temple to be destroyed it was destroyed in 70 AD. The graves were emptied - all men were judged - the saved were "raptured" the rest were left here. We now all go personally to the judgement seat of Christ. The holding places - hades and paradise - are not needed. The way into the most holy having been made by the finished work of Christ. Brian