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To: ild who wrote (4842)	1/12/2004 10:34:51 AM
From: russwinter	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 110194

It's appears to be the typical broker upgrade, "earnings surprise game" (looking for .94, got $1.05). biz.yahoo.com This seems notable to me, however: At December 31, 2003, the percentage of loans that were delinquent, excluding bulk loans, was 3.76 percent, compared with 3.19 percent at December 31, 2002, and 2.65 percent at December 31, 2001. Including bulk loans, the percentage of loans that were delinquent at December 31, 2003 was 5.57 percent, compared to 4.45 percent at December 31, 2002, and 3.46 percent at December 31, 2001.

To: ild who wrote (4842)	1/12/2004 11:30:10 AM
From: Ramsey Su	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

ild, just finished listening to the mtg cc, what a love fest. I think concensus believe that 2004 would be the peak for delinquencies and they will have smooth sailing forward. If that is true, I would agree. However, there are two basic reasons for a claim. The borrower has to default and the underlying property has not appreciated enough to offset the claim. These two are obviously related events. If a property has appreciated in the same manner as they had in Southern California in the last few years, any borrower in trouble can simply refi, take out seconds or sell, before they have to default. 1/3 of MTG's claims now come from Indiana and some other midwest state. Based on the tone, I expect a bunch of upgrades from this crop of analysts, which may support the stock. My opinion is this is still a neutral quarter. Delinquencies did go up but is somewhat in line with the companies expectations. I am "disappointed" that the quarter did not give me any indications as to how the real estate industry is doing. However, I think this could be a great setup for next quarter. The bar now has been set so high it will take the best effort from Sergey Bubka to clear.