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To: SOROS who wrote (2504)	1/21/2004 5:56:53 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

>> I agree with most of what you say, however, this thread is supposed to be for the edification and learning of ALL those present. << i thought that's what's occurred. we have two different methods which have emerged on this thread. the hal lindsey, jack van impe, john hagee, tim lahaye, type of methodology, which teaches you to pore over newspaper headlines and try to twist every single current news event into a bible prophecy. the alternative which i have offered, encourages you to pore over the scriptures and let the bible interpret itself. my methodology advocates turning away from the wisdom of this world by turning to God for revelation. >> It is not a thread where we call names or say we know the real truth but others don't. << that's interesting, SOROS. i seem to recall you demanding that i adhere to a certain oath that you put forth, as a pretext to holding discussions with me. if you recall, you demanded that i affirm certain basic truths about Christianity. obviously you believe that God has revealed to you certain truths about his character, nature, purposes, etc. God is truth, and God chooses to reveal himself to us on his timeframe. certainly you'll admit that you know more about God's nature today than when you first became a Christian, right? Christ is the truth, and therefore Christ has revealed to you more of himself (truth) as you continued to abide in him. i don't see why you think it is such a terrible thing to admit that different people are at different stages of faith and therefore have different levels of truth which have been revealed to them. God may have revealed things to you that he has not yet revealed to me. God may have revealed different things to me that he has yet to reveal to you. simply because i have the confidence that God has revealed to me certain truths does not mean i am trying to say, "my pop can beat up your pop". i simply know the difference between what at one time i could only speculate about, and what God has revealed to me. i know the difference, because there was a time when i wasn't sure who mystery babylon or the beast kingdom of revelation was. now, by the grace of God, i do. he has been merciful and loving and has answered my prayers and given me the confidence to proclaim it to others. Christ may very well do the same with you.

To: SOROS who wrote (2504)	1/21/2004 6:32:19 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

>> It is supposed to be for sharing ideas, thoughts, opinions, and especially revelations or knowledge from God if that is what one believes he or she has received! << have i not done this? i have shared my (unpopular) ideas, and revelations that our Lord has been gracious enough to reveal to me in the scriptures. recall how Jesus reproved satan. he said, IT IS WRITTEN. >> Since you are on the internet, I find that hard to believe, since this medium has probably brought about 1000 times the amount of corruption and damage to young minds than it has or ever will bring in positive form << that is entirely up to the individual. the internet is simply a device for communicating ideas. it's up to us whether or not those ideas are corrupt ones or righteous ones. i have spent time in my life serving both. when i used to spend time in the corrupt ways of this world on the internet, God was revealing to me my sinful nature. now when i am on the internet and i choose to spend my time serving righteous ideas, God reveals to me his righteous and glorious nature. >> Anyway, surely God would not want you to keep His knowledge and understanding bottled up only to yourself, and to simply tell others they must seek ALL answers from God because you will not share what you know? << i shared some of what God has allowed me to know, and you and others rejected it out of hand. many here didn't refute it, they simply rejected it. what purpose would it serve to simply repeat the process with the other topics? i don't want the discussion to lose focus. if you want to know when Christ's going to return, it will help if you know how to identify mystery babylon. if you want to know about the image or the mark of the beast, it would certainly help to identify the beast first! well mystery babylon sits atop the beast and rides it. where did nebuchadnezzar set up his golden image that people were forced to worship on penalty of death? he set it up in babylon. if you want to know where the image of the beast will be located, you need to know where mystery babylon is. first things first. i will continue to post scriptures interpreting themselves showing how earthly Jerusalem is MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

To: SOROS who wrote (2504)	1/21/2004 7:35:30 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5569

>> So far, the ONLY thing I know you 100% believe is that present-day Israel is pure evil << aha. well, i have been quite explicit in saying that i believe Jesus Christ and his holy spiritual nation of Christians to be the true Israel of God. Jesus Christ is pure love. God is a spirit. now the scriptures clearly teach that the devil is a carnal counterfeit, trying to impersonate God. God reveals to us through the prophet isaiah that satan wants to sit upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. do you know where that is located? God won't allow this, so satan is cast down to the earth to weaken the nations. so satan is allowed to sit in the earthly or carnal sides of the north. do you know where this is located? it's hell on earth, the sides of the pit. the bible shows us where this is located as well. there he has set up his beast kingdom which will bring forth antichrist. the devil wants you to worship this carnal place rather than the glorious mount zion in heaven. satan has chosen to set up his beast kingdom here on earth, because God cast him out of heaven and won't allow him to exalt himself above the stars. >> How do you know that God is not trying to use your thoughts beyond the Israel point? We certainly will never know because you won't share it. << at one point you told me to get lost. you weren't interested in the views i share. now you complain that i am witholding them from you. perhaps you need to resolve some things in your own mind first. >> Please go back to my original question and lay out for us, as best you understand it, what you think will be the events and time table leading up to the return of Christ. << i am trying to do just that. i started off by identifying mystery babylon and most people here became hostile. why should i turn the thread into total chaos by sharing other truths which will be just as unpopular? >> No one will call you names even if they disagree with you << if no one calls me names, i probably won't be speaking the truth, for the scripture says, "all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." >> The only negative response you have gotten from me relates to ignoring my questions with only more questions, or answering all questions with the rant on Israel << interesting. you are the one who told this thread to focus on israel. now that i have nothing nice to say about that counterfeit nation of israel over there in the middle east you suddenly don't want to hear it. i wasn't aware this was a worship (carnal) israel thread only. >> Let's say I agree with you that present-day Israel is the tool of the anti-christ (I don't even know if you believe there will be an actual man known as the Anti-Christ). << i do believe there will be a man of sin, the son of perdition, an antichrist figure. i believe he has yet to manifest himself however. not for yet a little while. people on this thread ask whether or not they think he will proclaim allegiance to Christ. antichrist will attempt to show that he is Christ, impersonating him. >> Now that I agree with you, please tell me what you think is coming next. << agree with me on what?