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To: GST who wrote (123139)	1/13/2004 11:13:29 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Well, Hawkmoon is pretty good at telling everybody what they should think, I think it has something to do with "facts and logic". Back on the conventional reality front, things are looking messier all the time. Last I read, the Kurds are pushing hard for something as close to independent Kurdistan as they can get. No surprise there, that's what they've always wanted. The Shiites want elections, which they'd probably win. Furthermore, the Shiites that would win are probably the clerics, according to the polls before they're officially reinterpreted for propaganda purposes. Meanwhile, the Sunnis are being subjected to official Israeli tactics on the hearts and minds front, on the off chance that they don't hate us enough already. And poor Bremer is under orders to put together an "Iraqi government" that will give its blessing to continued occupation in time for Karl Rove to sell it as a triumph of the "Bush Doctrine" before 11/2 . I actually sort of like Bremer, but I think he has a fairly impossible job there. On the other hand, for official propaganda purposes, I'm willing to stick my neck out and make a bold prediction. Success is assured, at least in terms of what W will be telling us around September or so.

To: GST who wrote (123139)	1/13/2004 7:43:47 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Who are you to tell Iraq what form of government it will have? Who are you to tell your children right from wrong? Who are you to intervene in any fight between children in the neighborhood? Who are you to admonish people who behave rudely and withour respect for the rights of others? Who are you to criticize my views? Who are you to claim you have any right to criticize anyone? The reality, which you again display utter disdain for, is that we're in the position of mentoring the Iraqi people toward the creation of a viable democratic government, something that the majority of them have expressed a desire to have... And the Iraqi people are more than just the Shiites.. or the Kurds, or the Sunnis.. They are a nation that will have to learn to overcome decades (centuries?) of mutual distrust and rivalry in order to function as a viable state. All we can do is make recommendations to all sides, and ensure that no one side is able to dominate the others. Hawk