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Politics : Piffer Thread on Political Rantings and Ravings -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: MrLucky who wrote (12091)	1/13/2004 4:56:04 PM
From: X Y Zebra	Respond to of 14610

Thank you for educating me... and my observation is that it was a flawed program, unbelievably so; the Germans (so smart in many other things), did not see the historical failure of the slave trade in the US... what morons... Indeed, the shift in events,(the disappearance of the Berlin Wall) of what at the time seemed like an impossibility, forced the bureaucrats to: 1) take a drastically stupid action; and then 2) made the failure of the program more acute as you correctly point out, a unified Germany is a better environment than Istanbul... Consequences that are clear as crystal... (but evidently not to all)

To: MrLucky who wrote (12091)	1/14/2004 10:41:07 AM
From: zonder	Respond to of 14610

Number (3) didn't happen though since life in a rebuilt Germany was far better than in Istanbul, Ankara or Izmir. Of course. Not that the vast majority of these "guest workers" even saw a city in Turkey before going from their village without indoor plumbing, direct to Berlin. [I am pretty fluent in spoken Turkish. Last year, I went to Germany for the first time, and overheard Turks speak several times. In some cases, it took me a while to realize it was Turkish (sounded like Arabic, the way they spoke it, and I am nowhere as fluent with Arabic). None of their speech was possible to understand without careful listening. Which says to me that they must have come from way East on the map of Turkey, nowhere near any center of civilization bigger than a town]