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To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (12099)	1/13/2004 6:40:41 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 14610

One of the conditions would that US businesses and businessmen could operate in Mexico with 50+% Mexican ownership required. And own land there. And get Mexican citizenship if they wanted it. Now there would have to be some other changes. Mordita would have to stop, which means the Mexican gov't would have to pay cops and bureaucrats enough so they have something to lose if they get caught taking bribes. Nothing is more expensive than an underpaid police force. Mexico does seem to have largely recovered from its socialistic impulses. (With some exceptions, such as electricity.)

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (12099)	1/13/2004 7:52:03 PM
From: X Y Zebra	Respond to of 14610

Creating opportunities on both sides of the border BEFORE opening the border to free migration might prevent that, if you believe that the only thing that separates the two nations is opportunity, and not the ability to capitalize on opportunity. I am open to ideas... what I am concerned with is that NOTHING is done instead. You could be correct to an extent... but believe me when I tel you... a good % of the Mexican worker goes north because he has NO job or opportunity to earn a living (never mind a decent living). Now... compare that to ANY other immigrant to the US... before they even arrive at the decision, the entire push is to go LIVE in the US. Not so with the Mexicans... The reason for this is obvious... they are the neighbors... the distance (comparatively speaking) is the mere.... "al otro lado" (to the other side)... Indeed, many of the guys that actually get the job etc and later they are in a more comfortable position, they go bak home. For many... it is like a daily sacrifice to live in the US... this is less and less so.. because simply... their numbers are increasing rapidly.... One time... LOL I was in the Yakima Valley (that's in WA state).. I was looking for an address... and I stopped and started asking (in English) for some directions... So... there were a few Mexicans outside this small store... and very suspiciously, aproached me and were "measuring me" (you see, in their eyes, I could have been the Migra). Finaly, I decided to put them at ease, and started speaking in Spanish to them... first... They opened their mouth in disbelief that I could actually speak the language, and once they were at ease.... all of a suden I was surrounded by about 15 or more young Mexicans... coming out from underneath the stones... All of a sudden the worried one was me (LOL)... it felt, very quickly... I had been transported to down town Tijuana They were very nice to me and told them how to reach my destination... they were very hepful... and this was some 15 years ago.... I am certain that The Yakima Valley today must be populated with an even larger (and sizable) Mexican population... and indeed one that keeps expanding... NORTH and EAST. As for "opportunity and ability to capitalize on it" the real difference is based on two things: Education (obviously) and a Corrupt (or NOT) government. The Mexican people (particularly those who decide to make the journey) are not lacking in inventiveness, some are actually quite clever. The problem is that Mexico has lived under this elite of very short sighted burgoise, in bed with an extremely corrupt leaders that emerged from the proletariat... They created a hybrid of a "Democratic Monarchy" under the guise of an "Insttutional Revolucionary Party" -lol- So most of the people in Mexico literarily for years have had a limited form of opportunity, primarily becuse the government and the elite who is in bed with it monopolize the "venues" for opportunity in a very short sighted way. All they need is a fair chance. there are many stories of what they can do once they get those oportunities. Anyway.... we shall see what realy happens.

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (12099)	1/13/2004 8:35:35 PM
From: X Y Zebra	Respond to of 14610

I just lost the entire response to your post.... so I will simply say that... you are partially correct, however... Do not discount the ingenuity of the Mexican people, they are quite capable, thsy just simply do not have the same opportunities due to the environment that they were born and their corrupt leaders continue to perpetuate. As I said, many will rather work in Mexico, before turning to the US... they just need the chance to do so. By what it is meant in saying "opening the border" is that there could be lots of opportunities created IN MEXICO if only foreign individuals would be allowed to set up shop in Mexico using US technology and equipment... Creating opportunities on both sides of the border BEFORE opening the border to free migration might prevent that, if you believe that the only thing that separates the two nations is opportunity, and not the ability to capitalize on opportunity. The ability to capitalize on an opportunity requires that the opportunity exists in the first place...