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To: Stan who wrote (36392)	1/14/2004 12:51:43 AM
From: Berry Picker	Respond to of 39621

I believe that the spirit of God is within me.

To: Stan who wrote (36392)	1/14/2004 1:00:33 AM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Romans 8:10 ¶ But if Christ is in you, though your body must die because of sin, yet your spirit has Life because of righteousness. Our bodies "physical" must die - it is our spirit that has life. 11 And if the Spirit of Him who raised up Jesus from the dead is dwelling in you, He who raised up Christ from the dead will give Life also to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit who dwells in you. I think it refers to the here and now - that our bodies are raised from the dead - right now - born again. 12 Therefore, brethren, it is not to our lower natures that we are under obligation that we should live by their rule. Verse 12 - talking about right now 13 For if you so live, death is near; but if, through being under the sway of the spirit, you are putting your old bodily habits to death, you will live. Verse 13 - talking about right now Walking after the spirit - in our bodies now - and not after the flesh. The bible says that those that are born again are already resurrected: Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Quickened (past tense) means resurrected - same thing. Here is Strong's on it: 2227 zwopoiew zoopoieo dzo-op-oy-eh’-o from the same as 2226 and 4160; TDNT-2:874,290; v AV-quicken 9, give life 2, make alive 1; 12 1) to produce alive, begat or bear living young 2) to cause to live, make alive, give life 2a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate 2b) to restore to life 2c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life 2d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life 3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing Metaph. is short for metaphor Brian

To: Stan who wrote (36392)	1/14/2004 1:24:42 AM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Here is Young's Literal Translation Stan: Romans 8:11 and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you. You can see that it is speaking of the spirit quickening "dying" bodies not bodies that are already dead. I think you completely took the verse out of it's context to suit your theory about what happens to these 'dying' bodies :-) The flesh is weak. Brian

To: Stan who wrote (36392)	1/14/2004 6:17:18 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 39621

We may outrun By violent swiftness And lose by over-running. ~William Shakespeare It is better to rise from life as from a banquet - neither thirsty nor drunken. ~Aristotle

To: Stan who wrote (36392)	1/14/2004 10:28:59 AM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

Stan, I must admit I do not see a point to this argument about dead flesh being resurrected when you must admit God made us and he knows the exact makeup of our personality and soul. (Our mind and who we are.) He can recreate our individual self in to a glorified body without having the need of any of our flesh. It is obvious that many Christians bodies have been totally burned up, lost at sea for the fish to eat and other deaths that completely destroy the body. If I have no body left don't you think God has the power to recreate me since he has the master plan to my mind and soul? To me this is not a major point to go over and over for months and hundreds of posts when there is so much more that can be discussed. You and one other have kept this going for many months and I would like to know what is your point? I am comfortable with the fact that Christ does not need my flesh to know me when I am turned into a glorified state. What is the Jewish position when a terrorist blows up a person and there are no identifiable remains for a funeral? James