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To: lorne who wrote (3299)1/15/2004 4:09:13 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 3959
 
Re: Like I have been saying it's all about religion.

From YOUR point of view, it is, indeed, all about religion... Keep in mind, however, that, over here in "Ol'Europe", we've swung over to a post-Christian worldview. So we are "very concerned" about the American's freakish twist of mind --not about our Muslim immigrants. Our churches are empty, the worthiest ones are basically used as touristic venues for Japanese and Americans.... And we're nonplussed by the American religiosity: the Jimmy Swaggarts sweating and crying before a crowd of thousands of Jesus freaks... amidst chants and prayers "my Lord!... Jesus! I'm a sinner!!" This is just a pathetic spectacle to us... G.W. Bush starts all his White House meetings with a prayer?!? Ridiculous....

From our viewpoint here in Europe, you Yanks are just a bunch of Jesus freaks who're ready to torch the whole planet for the sake of that "Mr Jesus" of yours.... That's basically why you're currently messing around in Iraq --you're on a "holy mission" to keep Jerusalem in Judeo-Protestant custody... As that nutcase Boykin put it, Muslims are just a bunch of idol worshippers who have no right whatsoever over the holy city. We used to call that a CRUSADE. Now, what's driving you mad is that we, Europeans, no longer play that silly Jesus game --you crazy bigots are on your own.... fighting the Muslims. Oh, sure, we do have a few Jesus freaks left, we do have a coupla pocket warmongers: Spain's Aznar and Italy's Berlusconi. But public opinion in both Spain and Italy is much closer to France's and Germany's than to the US's, anyway. Public opinion in Spain and Italy opposed the US crusade in Iraq.

Now, that doesn't mean we don't have any problem with Arab/Muslim immigrants. As I said, Europe has difficulties co-opting ethnic minorities... Europe leans towards the Brazilian segregative model ("racismo cordial" and all that...) not the US co-optative model. That means that the challenge for Europe is mainly socio-economic, not religious. The religious spin stems from the fact that Europe's Arab outcasts use Islam as a survival kit of sorts. Fifty years ago, the jobless and the immigrants used to resort to Marxism to rationalize their predicament... Today, North African youths rely on their religious heritage instead.

Gus



To: lorne who wrote (3299)1/15/2004 4:58:44 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 3959
 
Tokenism a la francaise....

Appointment of Arab prefect fans French angst over affirmative action
Elaine Sciolino/NYT
Thursday, January 15, 2004

PARIS
Has Aissa Dermouche been given the job of prefect of the Jura region near the Swiss border because of affirmative action or because he is the best candidate for the job?

The appointment Wednesday of the 57-year-old Algerian-born business school director makes him the only prefect who is foreign-born or Muslim in all of France. But it was announced without fanfare along with others at the weekly Council of Ministers meeting.

After all, affirmative action or "positive discrimination" as it is called here is not supposed to exist in a country that does not identify people by national origin in the national census and is not supposed to gather data according to race, religion or ethnicity. Affirmative action has traditionally been seen as an ill-conceived American invention that celebrates differences and encourages divisions.

But in a television debate last November, the interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, broke a political taboo and touched off a fierce public debate by arguing in favor of the practice to help raise Muslims out of suburban ghettos and give them a place in French society.

Since then, the French government has found itself caught between the impulse to respond to the needs of its large ethnic Arab and Muslim population while at the same time rejecting any practice that threatens the French republican ideal of equality.

"There are parts of France and categories of French citizen who have loaded on their heads so many handicaps that if we do not help them more than we help others, they will never escape," Sarkozy, who is said to harbor presidential ambitions, said in a debate at the Political Studies Institute in Paris earlier this month.

During a meeting with high school students in Tunisia last December, President Jacques Chirac said that discrimination is not positive and that it was not "acceptable" to "appoint people based on their origins."

Then last Friday, during a reception for the press in Paris, Chirac said that he had told his ministers last July that they had to come up with a candidate as prefect from "immigrant origins."

Otherwise, he would not approve any new appointments, he said.

And the Elysée Palace announced last week that someone of "immigrant origin" was to be named a prefect.

On Wednesday, however, in a statement released from his office, Chirac said that the nomination was based on "a basic republican principle - that top civil service appointments are based on the recognition of merit, whatever the origins of the persons involved." Sensitive to the fact that the expression "positive discrimination" is a loaded one, French officials are struggling to come up with alternatives. Sarkozy on Wednesday proposed that it be replaced with the words "republican voluntarism." He did not define the phrase, which conceivably could be interpreted to mean the granting of jobs and educational opportunities to further the cause of the French republic.

In an interview with Europe 1 radio last November, Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin said he preferred the term "positive mobilization," adding, "The idea that there are good forms of discrimination on the one hand and bad ones on the other might be seen as a confused notion."

Despite the center-right government's official position against affirmative action, there are exceptions.

In his debate earlier this month, Sarkozy made that point, saying, "When we create quotas for the disabled, when we pass a law so that half the people on party lists at elections are women, when we set up economic and educational priority zones, what is that if not positive discrimination?"

A constitutional law passed in June 2000 requires political parties to support 50 percent of candidates from each sex in several types of elections, including elections in cities of more than 3,500 inhabitants, some senatorial elections and regional and European Parliament elections.

Although the first Muslim prefect was appointed in 1942, few Muslims have been appointed prefect or sub-prefect despite France's growing Arab and Muslim population. (Although there are no official figures, there are an estimated 5 million Muslims in France, about 8 percent of the population.) Dermouche, a chevalier of the Legion of Honor and of the National Order of Merit, came to France when he was 18. He has headed the Audencia school of management, one of the selective "grandes écoles" where France trains its elite, since 1989.

In a telephone interview from Nantes, Dermouche called his appointment "a great honor" and a "great pleasure to serve the state," but declined to speculate on why he was chosen. "I wouldn't attempt to analyze the decisions that have motivated my nomination," he said. He also declined to say whether he favored affirmative action, saying, "I can't cast judgment, which would be a political judgment, on positive discrimination." The New York Times

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