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To: carranza2 who wrote (123222)	1/14/2004 7:07:28 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

'Summary: The unprecedented threat posed by terrorists and rogue states armed with weapons of mass destruction cannot be handled by an outdated and poorly enforced nonproliferation regime. The international community has a duty to prevent security disasters as well as humanitarian ones -- even at the price of violating sovereignty.' Aha, look, they include the Rest of Us ... it follows directly that if we have a duty we have a right to participate in decisions on how we exercise that duty .... it is human nature that on hearing the question Who Will Decide, we respond instinctively, I Will ..... can't all do that at once, fact of life, so we need some form of structure by which we get to the We Will in the most functional and fair manner possible .... which in reality is probably the least dysfunctional and equally-unfair-to-all manner possible Every world leader i ever heard quoted since 11.09.01 has been missing an opportunity of wider-scale improvement in this respect, not just US admin ..... when those towers came down we were as united a species as we're ever likely to get, short of an alien invasion - that was the time to call for UN reform, or replacement of the UN, whatever has a better chance of working, possibly a side organisation of democracies, maybe something centred on NATO since the attack had taken place on a member's soil, whatever, i don't know, but that was the absolutely best timing for it .... and the window stayed open long after invasion of Afghanistan, since there had been wide general agreement there ..... but everybody kept missing the point, then war-marketing of Iraq started up and divisions over the details started closing the window .... now, it is pretty clear that jungle law will rule for a long time .... pity There was in many ways a default by the Rest of Us to this state, that is true, even if only in the failure of any party to lay out a little vision ...... the neocons weren't supplying any vision either though, and they certainly aren't bashful about their intentions to make all ultimate rulings, they control overwhelming military power so it's difficult to see how far any vision could have gotten .... work through the logical consequences of all this, and i think you'll see as a US taxpayer and possible provider of children for storm troops that this road could end up being the wrong one .... 'not a sin, worse than a sin, it's a mistake', Voltaire might say rootcause.org - damn, i just a brain burp that came up with this domain, but someone has booked it ['coming soon' is all it says] .... perfect url for an outfit set up to plant trees all over the place ... or plant democracy, or whatever they felt they had ready to hand, and felt like planting lcweb2.loc.gov - a place to plant .... check out the ethnicities, how fractured is this 'nation' ... Afghanistan is the same Who Will Decide question on smaller scale, how human of them ... but my answer remains clear, I Will

To: carranza2 who wrote (123222)	1/14/2004 7:54:17 PM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

<<By the way, there is a GREAT article in this month's FA>>> Very good. IMO the UN probably now realizes that some means of enforcement will be needed for their Resolutions or for military action if that is required The UN then must now step up to the plate and accept a world wide stance, saying that WE(the UN) make decisions for any country. ( since any country can be the procurer or base of nuclear power or materials) They would need to be able say to any Nation, no matter how perverse the rulers are, that the UN Inspectors are being sent in. Which could lead to a War- with accusations that the UN started it. This would make the UN the most powerful force on earth, and take the US off the hook as the chief enforcer. Muslims in particular could grow to hate it- the UN rather than just the US. Very useful ideas tho, and shows the US has been on the right track in considering pre-emptive actions and a strong military. Sig