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To: hmaly who wrote (180592)	1/15/2004 1:15:43 PM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574544

All over TV are heartbreaking pictures of Kurds in the mountains of northern iraq freezing to death and being killed by the thousands. Bush and the world does nothing. Au contraire. A Bush did do something about it, while the leftist, and your sympathizers in France, Germany, Russia, Belgium etc. did nothing about it. Which just goes to show you how much of a hypocrite you are, with your next sentence. If you thought GB senior should have taken Saddem out, 12 yrs earler, against UN wishes, because of Saddams brutality, why after 12 more yrs, of terror, torturing, WMD discoveries, sanctions, massive starvation, why are you now against GWB going against UN approval, and finally getting the job done. WE didn't have the international communities approval in 91 either, plus Russia was an ally of Saddam at that time. Certainly the cost in human lives was less, as the bombs are more precise now, the US has better body armor, and better tactics; and our supply lines were shorter this time, as we staged in Kuwait, with its built up port facilities. There is no way, if we would have gone in 91, you could say American lives could have been saved. We lost over 400 US lives in the Gulf war, less than half that in 03, during major hostilities. Now, before you get your undies in a bunch, I know we still are losing lives trying to install a democratic government. True, however we would have had to do that after either war. There was a great risk Russia would try to do to us, what we had done to them 10 yrs earlier in Afghanistan. In addition, the risks of civil war were greater then than now. The Shite community, and especially the call to spread Islamic fanaticism, through Ayatollah Khomeni's fanatical revolution, was much greater then. 12 yrs later, Russia imploded, and the revolution in Iran had lost a lot of its steam, plus a lot of the clerics in Iraq are less radical now, having seen the failures of Khomeni's revolution in Iran. So democratization has a far better chance now, than it had 12 yrs earlier. Your post is a collection of oozey rationalizations. Bush Sr is a wisker away from ousting Saddam from within with little capital, and lets it slip away because a) he either fails to capitalize on the internal revolt or b) reasons that saddam in power is preferable to an Iraq splintered among factions. Either way he is the hypocrite, hell bent of liberating Kuwaiti people "whose children are being taken out of incubators and dropped on the floor" but unable/unwilling to make a similar case to the world to save Kurds and Shia in full retreat. Worse, he times the surrender so well that the Iraqi army goes back and has more than enough strenght to squash the revolt. So now his son (Cheney) with little of the regard his father claims to have used as reason to stop at the border for the opinion of the world <<gg>> attacks practically unilaterally and hopscocthes his way from one justification for the invasion to the next, as each of the reasons for the war turn out to be bull or exagerations. So now he claims the humanitarian high ground his father repudiated...well, cause he's got little left. I think JF is right...it's pointless to keep this up...you and I will not change each other's minds. One last comment however....there's seldom a post from one of you guys where you fail to infer traitor status to "leftists" "sympathizers" and a host of other attributes you like to toss around with ease towards people who don't share your point of view...as if you right wingers had cornered the market on patriotism, or your often twisted definition of it... Al