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To: maceng2 who wrote (44819)	1/16/2004 11:06:45 AM
From: macavity	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Assumptions should always (and frequently) be challenged. And maths has always demonstrated this. Change an axiom - design/discover a branch of mathematics. I would like any children I have to be definitely mathematically competent (hopefully excellent). Assumptions->Reasoning->Conclusions. If all these are sound then there is no beef here! I just feel that many do not follow the process for fear of discovering something unpalatable. The truths are out there! Yup, all of them! -macavity

To: maceng2 who wrote (44819)	1/18/2004 4:51:20 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<"If there is one lesson that is clear from the history of mathematics, it is that questioning even the assumptions that seem most obvious and fundamental can lead to profound new ideas and visions. If we want to think hard about ways to be more inclusive of non-traditional groups, it is critical to reexamine all aspects of the discipline."> Precisely my point. Women are excluded from maths and physics. I have explained why. You have obviously completely misunderstood my point. The main thing needing re-examination is the education and examination system for mathematics for females who mature 3 years earlier than males. In a standard deviation sense. Mqurice

To: maceng2 who wrote (44819)	1/18/2004 7:36:56 PM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Edna Kramer would certainly agree, as would Hypatia, Sophie Germain, Sonia Kovalevsky, Maria Cibrario, Ada, Countess of Lovelace, Maria Pastori, Guissepina Masotti-Biggiogero, Sylvia Neumann, the Marquise de Chatelet, Jacqueline Ferrand, Paulette Libermann, Sophie Piccard, Florence N. David, Emmy Noether, Maria Agnesi, Mary Somverville, Hanna Neumann, Queen Dido, Mme. Curie, and Lise Meitner. I cheated on the last two as they were chemists. Readers are reminded too that the best form of multiplication involves collaboration with women. Some chemistry may be required for this. EC<:-}