SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : Stockman Scott's Political Debate Porch -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: lurqer who wrote (35338)1/16/2004 2:16:31 PM
From: T L Comiskey  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Sistani is a pain in the A$$...
Maybe he will follow Steve Bikko.....
and take a header........<g/ng>
T



To: lurqer who wrote (35338)1/16/2004 2:27:20 PM
From: abuelita  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Asked if he disliked Saddam
or the United States more, Abbas
the blanket seller said:
"No one can ever be worse than Saddam."


... not saying much for the u.s. is it.

-rose



To: lurqer who wrote (35338)1/16/2004 4:06:22 PM
From: lurqer  Respond to of 89467
 
U.S. to investigate reports of Iraq detainee abuse

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commanding general of U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq, has ordered an investigation into reports of abuse of detainees by troops, a coalition spokesman said Friday.

There was enough concern for "the senior military to initiate an investigation," the spokesman said.

"These are not rumors," he said, noting such reports had been received.

The number of reports or potential cases of abuse was not made public.

The U.S. Army's criminal investigative division has been called in, the spokesman said, adding Sanchez was directly involved in ordering the probe.

The Army said this month that three soldiers had been discharged from military service for abusing Iraqi prisoners.

The soldiers faced a court-martial proceeding but agreed instead to a nonjudicial hearing. In addition to the discharges, two soldiers had their ranks lowered, and all three were ordered to forfeit pay for two months.

The soldiers were military police in a unit from Pennsylvania at a southern Iraqi camp when the abuse occurred May 12, according to the Army. An investigation began after other soldiers saw and reported what happened. (Full story)

There was no indication that Sanchez's probe is related to those cases.

Bremer meeting Bush
L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. civilian administrator in Iraq, was in Washington on Friday to discuss the country's political transition with President Bush and his national security team, U.S. officials said.

Bremer was scheduled to sit down with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice before conferring with Bush on Friday afternoon at the White House.

The Bush administration is preparing for its first high-level consultations with the United Nations on the political transition in Iraq and wants the world body's support and assistance for plans to turn over sovereignty this summer, administration officials said.

Bremer also is set to attend meetings Monday in New York with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan that will include members of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council; Jeremy Greenstock, Bremer's British counterpart; and John Negroponte, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

Administration sources said the goal is to win a strong statement from Annan backing the transition plan as well as a commitment to send a U.N. team to Iraq to assist with the effort.

"The issue of the political transition in Iraq is certainly the topic on the agenda," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said. "We have encouraged a U.N. role. We look forward to working with the U.N. in coming months as that process unfolds."

He said the United States would help "make sure that the U.N. has the kind of security that they need for their circumstances and their kind of operations in Iraq."

The United Nations withdrew its staff from Iraq in the wake of an August bombing at its Baghdad headquarters that killed Annan's special representative, Sergio Vieira de Mello, and 21 others.

A U.N. endorsement of the transitional plan could help quiet international criticism of the U.S. effort in Iraq. The Bush administration previously has resisted a prominent U.N. role in the political transition, although it has not flatly ruled out such cooperation.

As it stands, the U.S.-backed transition plan calls for regional caucuses by the end of May to elect a new Iraqi assembly.

The assembly then would choose an executive administration to take over sovereignty of Iraq by the July 1 deadline set by the Bush administration in an agreement with the Iraqi Governing Council.

However, the administration is debating "refinements" designed to deal with criticism from Iraqi Shiite leaders, including Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, about the proposed methods of choosing the country's next government.

Sistani has called for direct elections and voiced concerns that the caucus plan is designed to limit Shiite influence. Shiites make up about 60 percent of Iraq's population.

U.S. officials have said direct elections are not feasible, in part because of the tenuous security situation, but more so due to a lack of accurate voting rolls and a census count of the Iraqi population.

U.S. officials also have conceded they worry that Islamic radicals or holdovers from the ruling Baath Party could fare better than other groups in direct elections because they have long-standing organizations.

Adnan Pachachi, current president of the Governing Council, warned Thursday that creating procedures for a direct vote would delay the transition to sovereignty. (Full story)

Tens of thousands of people staged a large protest Thursday in the southern city of Basra and smaller rallies elsewhere to call for a direct vote.

Baghdad blast wounds children
A roadside bomb detonated Friday in Baghdad, wounding three children and an interpreter, according to a U.S. Army major.

One of the children was in serious condition, the Army official said.

An informant tipped off U.S.-led coalition forces about the location of an improvised explosive device in a residential area of the Iraqi capital, the official said. While the troops tried to secure the area, the bomb detonated -- either by remote control or by timer -- near two U.S. soldiers, the official said. But no coalition forces were injured, he said.

Other developments
• A 30-member delegation has left Tokyo for Iraq ahead of the first deployment of Japanese troops, TV Asahi reported. The Japanese contingent of 600 troops will be based in Samawa in southeastern Iraq. They will be deployed to noncombat areas for humanitarian purposes. (Full story)

• The British Royal Military Police is investigating the March death of Sgt. Steven Roberts over allegations he was sent into action without proper body equipment. Roberts, 33, was killed in action southwest of Basra after being shot in the chest. A Defense Ministry report showed that Roberts was issued special body armor but was ordered to give it back because his regiment didn't have enough. He was given standard armor instead. (Full story)

• Lakhdar Brahimi, previously the U.N. special representative to Afghanistan, has been appointed special adviser to Annan, the United Nations said Thursday. Brahimi, a former Algerian foreign minister, completed his two-year assignment to Afghanistan this month. A large part of his work is expected to involve Iraq, including helping to define the U.N. role in the country. He will be based in New York, and his rank will be undersecretary-general. (Full story)

• Iraq made official Thursday its new money, a dinar without the stark image of deposed leader Saddam Hussein. The new currency depicts scenes of Iraqi history, topography, scientific contributions and economic life.

cnn.com

lurqer



To: lurqer who wrote (35338)1/16/2004 4:14:22 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Our Primordial World

Pride and Envy are what make this war go 'round.
Victor Davis Hanson - NRO

Throughout the last two years of war, we have confronted a variety of what we thought were strange occurrences: the conquest of Iraq in a mere three weeks, the subsequent Iraqis' looting of their own infrastructure, the counterinsurgency operations inside the Sunni Triangle and the weird yearning there for cutthroat Saddam's return, the sudden wave of suicide bombings worldwide, and the split between old and new Europe. In many cases Americans have been bewildered by such developments, and have attempted to apply reason to a world that does not always care much for logic.

Following September 11, our therapeutic industry — the campuses, the media, the intelligentsia, and many on the political Left — almost immediately sprung into action to insist that such hideous terrorist acts were symptomatic of wide-scale poverty and oppression in the Middle East, much of it caused by the United States. True, Islamic fascism scavenges on the self-induced misery of hereditary autocracy so endemic in the Arab world; but the hijacking murderers of September 11 were themselves hardly poor or illiterate. And their mastermind bin Laden talked of pride, envy, and power — seldom poverty or inequality. This was a creature, after all, who belonged to a world of the "strong horse," "honor" killings, throwing shoes, and fist-shaking, more at home in the tenth than 21st century.

Where Americans see skill and subtlety in taking out Saddam Hussein and a costly effort to liberate a people, many Iraqis, even as they taste freedom, drive new cars, and see things improve, talk instead of humiliation, hurt pride, or anger at their own impotence — whether whining over the morticians' make-up work on Qusay, or ashamed about Saddam's pathetic televised dental examination. Iraqis scream on camera that we should not stay another minute, but even more often whisper that we better not leave yet. Too often they seem to be mostly angry that we, not they, took out Saddam Hussein. While the tyrant's departure was a "good" thing, it would have been even better had he killed a few thousand Americans in the process — if only to restore the sort of braggadocio lost by the Baathist flight and antics of a mendacious Baghdad Bob.

Israel suffers from the same dilemma of dealing with others' hurt pride as we do. It created a relatively humane society throughout the West Bank from 1967-1993 — and raised the standard of living, and promoted individual freedom for Palestinians in way impossible elsewhere in the Arab world. But all that won no gratitude; instead, it stoked the fury arising from Arabs' sense of weakness and self-contempt. In the world of the Palestinian lobster bucket, Israel's great sin is not bellicosity or aggression, but succeeding beyond the wildest dreams of its neighbors. How humiliating it must be to be incapable of even muttering the word "Israel" (hence the need for "Zionist entity"), but nevertheless preferring an Israeli to a Palestinian ID card.

Indeed Anwar Sadat, by his own admission, went to war in 1973 not to liberate outright the Sinai (that was militarily impossible), but to show the Arab world he could surprise — and for three to four days even stun — the Israelis, and thereby restore the wounded "pride" of the Egyptians. We think that the total encirclement of his Third Army was a terrible defeat — saved from abject annihilation by American diplomacy and Soviet threat. Egyptians saw it instead as a source of honor that it even got across the canal.

We are puzzled, too, at the fury of the "old" Europeans. We think, somehow, that such sophisticated Westerners have surely transcended Middle Eastern tribal chauvinism, and must have other legitimate grounds for their strange new religion of anti-Americanism. But is their venom any surprise, really? Has a Germany or France really left its past behind? The Cold War was merely a tranquilizer that suppressed all the old human urges and appetites, a sort of forced unity brought on by the shared fear of nuclear annihilation — one that disappeared the minute Soviet divisions creaked on home.

The old truth that resurfaced was that the United States destroyed the Spanish empire in 1898, and was pivotal in derailing the Prussian imperial dream in 1918 and in annihilating the Third Reich. It inherited by default much of the role of the British dominion, did nothing in Suez, Algeria, or Southeast Asia to rescue the tottering French Empire, and almost alone bankrupted and dismantled the Soviet imperium. In other words, past notions of European grandeur are no more — and somewhere in that equation of ruin were the mongrel, tasteless Americans, who are now at it again, ending rather easily the fascistic cabals of Milosevic, Mullah Omar, and Saddam Hussein.

Reasonable people might suggest that Europeans and Russians would welcome these events, as no sane person could be fond of today's megalomaniacs, or even the legacy of monsters like Napoleon, Hitler, or Stalin. But then Dominique de Villepin wrote a hagiography of the little emperor, and Russians talk grandly of the old days when Soviets were feared and respected, not denizens of a motley conglomeration of squabbling, corrupt republics from Chechnya to Georgia.

So even our dealings with a more sophisticated Europe are not exempt from such awakened reptilian instincts. Revelations of recent German and French arms sales, French unilateral intervention in the Ivory Coast, the thousands who perished in the August heat wave in Paris, the spooky election-rhetoric in Germany, the holocaust in the Balkans, the oil deals with Saddam Hussein, the wave of anti-Semitism across Europe, or the callous policy toward Israel — all manifestly reveal Old Europe to be hardly a moral place, but in fact one that narrowly protects its own interests, falls back on bias and hate, and indulges in petty nationalism.

Thus we can dispense with the canard that European hostility toward us is enlightened and has much to do with a genuine feeling that a retrograde United States alone endangers the health and safety of the planet. Instead that deductive hostility has everything to do with the sense of European hurt over how successful our boorish nation should not be.

What are we to do? In fact, very little can be done. Perhaps all we can hope for is to understand rather than ameliorate these pathologies, and whenever possible combine tough love with magnanimity. We need to draw as many troops out of Europe as fast as we can within parameters of military sobriety. Only that way will so-called allies ever shoulder their own defense burdens and thereby regain a sense of national accomplishment. Until then we must respond twofold to every verbal assault on us, even as we praise every European minesweeper, canteen, or police contingent that is now in Afghanistan and Iraq — all the while expecting not much more than a grunt or two of appreciation that we are leading the way.

Our universities laugh at these Thucydidean impulses like fear, honor, pride, and envy, and instead cite either economic rationalism — states war because they need or want things — or deep-seated religious or racial hatred. Such rational catalysts can indeed play a role in conflict, especially civil wars, but — as Donald Kagan wrote about wars from antiquity to the Cuban Missile Crisis — they are rarely alone the prime causes of wars. The Falklands were about as necessary to Argentines' national security or gross national product as the Moroccan rocks in the Mediterranean are to Spain, or the Druze villages in the Golan Heights are to Syria. Saddam had enough oil without Iran or Kuwait, and China wasn't looking for oil, farmland, or seeking to implant communism when it invaded Vietnam.

The realization that we have not yet evolved past these baser impulses is critical in this war, since victory entails not merely the military defeat of our often tribal adversaries, but a careful combination of humiliating enemies while allowing credit to go to envious allies and the once defeated. "Hearts and minds" refers not merely to bequeathing good schools, utilities, and safety to Iraqis, but to restoring the pride of the Iraqi people. The trick is for Americans, who sacrifice lives and treasure, and are singularly responsible for the salvation of the Iraqi people, to ignore Arab ingratitude, callousness, and mean-spiritedness and allow them instead the sense of accomplishment that they saved, and are restoring, their own country.

At the risk of sounding monotonous, we cannot win in Iraq until Iraqis, not Americans, are on television — confidently summing up the reconstruction that we in fact are mostly responsible for. All the tiring shoe-shaking, fists in the air, banners, fatwas, and demonstrating we have seen in Iraq — not to mention the dead-end sniping and killing from a dying cabal of criminals — are not explicable just through political or economic gripes, but revolve mostly around wounded pride and a sense of disgrace.

But are not we ourselves subject to these same age-old pathologies? After all, the critics of Mr. Bush claim he went to war to parade American machismo — remember "Smoke 'em out," "Dead or Alive," and "Bring 'em out?" Of course, we are not immune to insecurities, but there are a few mitigating factors that render us less prone to hemorrhaging pride and tribal angst. First, we are the world's most powerful state — indeed, whether we like it or not, the most powerful entity in the history of civilization. With twelve carrier battle groups and another twelve marine transport carriers, we don't have to talk ad nauseam about something as small and insignificant as the Charles de Gaul. When we refer to the Marine Corps we mean a military larger than any single land army in Europe.

Second, and regrettably, Americans are not by nature much interested in the rest of the globe, given our wealth, obsessive consumerism, and self-absorption. The world thought our weak response to past Iranian hostage-taking, the abrupt pull-out from Vietnam, and the insanely stupid withdrawal from Lebanon were catastrophic signs of American weakness as well as dangerous concessions that might encourage our enemies' boldness. And they were absolutely right.

But many Americans? Sure, they were angry at Iranians, Arabs, and Communists. But most were just happy that the hostages came home, and thought the fewer Iranian nuts to hog the news all to the good. The less Americans saw of the Bekka Valley and the more of Cheers!, the better. The fist-shaking of the Arab Street can't even compete with 30-year-old M.A.S.H. reruns.

Third, the stuff of collective ego and insecurity is often a uniform race, religion, or class that only fuels sensitivity to nationalist insults and perceived slights. America in contrast has always been a brew of faiths, colors, and ethnicities, united by shared values and concerned more with money than with accent, birth, or pedigree. So again, while we are patriotic and don't like bullies, most Americans don't much care about a national ego that must be fed and coddled by other countries. On almost any given day we turn on the television, surf the news channel, see here an Arab burning an American flag, there a European anti-globalization protester torching an effigy of George Bush, yawn, perhaps mumble out loud "Can't these losers get a life," and then plug in a DVD or hit HBO.

As Mr. Bush has grasped, every time we have humiliated our enemies we have gained respect and won security. By the same token, on each occasion we have shown deference to a Mr. Karzai, the Iraqi interim government, and our Eastern European friends, we have helped to create security and stability. Apart from the model of our forefathers who crushed and then lifted up the Germans and Japanese, we could find no better guide in this war than William Tecumseh Sherman and Abraham Lincoln — in that order. The former would remind us that our enemies traffic in pride and thus first must be disabused of it through defeat and humiliation. The latter (who turned Sherman and Grant lose) would maintain that we are a forgiving sort, who prefer restored rather than beaten people as our friends.

nationalreview.com