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To: Dave who wrote (39120)	1/16/2004 7:38:37 PM
From: Jeff Hayden	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 213182

Dave, I also use Exposé all the time, and it's much more powerful than the alternatives like Windowshade. You can drag something from one window, press and hold F9 to show all apps' windows, drag your item over some other window, release F9, and drop into that window. It's a beauty thing. Amazing, ain't it? Sorry Doren, I don't think any version of Windowshade could come close. I'm sure not interesting in trying it. Making small icons of Windows doesn't help me know what's in them. With Expose, they're all right there. To really use it right, though, enable it to operate at the window corners and put up with the annoyance of inadvertent actuation until you get use to it. Sort of like training a rat to run a maze. :-) After that, you'll use it all the time.

To: Dave who wrote (39120)	1/17/2004 5:17:48 AM
From: Doren	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 213182

Sorry to have to EXPLAIN this: 10% of users do hate windows for good reason, it sucks. Probably more than 10%. That doesn't mean that the many people who hate the dock are wrong. It doesn't even have any relevance to the discussion. Nearly everyone that I know at least has some antipathy for the dock. Several people like it. This isn't like voting. A 50% majority does not make an interface widget successful. To be successful in my eyes a widget has to be liked by nearly everyone, like Expose. Or the invention of folders or the trash or the mouse or Windowshading. There is too much controversy about the dock to consider it successful. If it was successful there would be no controversy. Even the Cube was more successful than the dock. Almost everyone admired it. But one can't really call the Cube a success. The problem with it was it didn't fit into most peoples life or work styles but people liked it. Who wouldn't want a small form factor computer that was ultra quiet? These arguments from Mac diehards that "I like it" are really lame. As if that "proves" it. That's looking at the widget totally subjectively which is the way bad software is designed. Statistics prove things objectively when it comes to good interface design. I'd be willing to bet that at least 20% of all Mac users who have used alternatives like the windows taskbar and Tabbed folder in OS9 would be critical of the Dock. Probably more like 50%. --------- Here's another hated item I wasn't thinking about when I made my list of objections. The bouncing Icons. That one is REALLY annoying. And to my knowledge there is no preference to turn the damn thing off. Just because I critique Apple doesn't mean I hate the machines. In my opinion they are the best option out there now for many people. I was just explaining to my partner today that I thought the G5s were competitively priced now when you factor in the hardware software. He of course is skeptical. For his purposes ( a cheapo server ) an Apple probably wouldn't make sense. I just don't think you guys are going to convince me that Apple is perfect. I think it has some management problems. Apple consistently lapses into "Hear no evil" periods where it refuses to listen to it's users.