To: SofaSpud who wrote (3496 ) 1/16/2004 10:54:34 PM From: marcos Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 37309 There is an interview with Kathryn Gretsinger linked in this piece - vancouver.cbc.ca ... starts with John Reynolds, who sounds a little angry -g- ... not that much detail out of KM, but he does seem to stress as main reason for the switch the social conservatism of the tories [are we going to call them tories? ... why not imho, and the Natural Ruling Party whigs, it would save so much air time and typing] KM's website - keithmartin.org ... but i can read only a few main pages, not the archives, they have some strange kind of setup .... is he being opportunistic in this, hmm .... maybe there's an element of opportunism in all things political ..... he's cabinet material i think, and the only way to get there in the near term is fly whig, because this next election is going to be a PM-for-PM coronation ... longer term there is promise in the tories, i personally think the so-con charge is a bit overboard, since they've written healthcare into their constitution, and Harper has said no government he leads will hold a referendum on abortion [presumably one on texecution will be unlikely as well] .... so what's left, maybe a libertarian approach to drug law, but the people aren't ready for either party to start that up I never heard his stance on invading Iraq fully expressed, i'll look for around for an article or transcript ... it is quite reasonable imho to support removal of Saddam, yet differ with the way it was done ... that's precisely where i am on the issue, feel strongly that it is wrong for one nation to bully the others in that manner .... Chrétien pissed me off the most when he said, right at the crunch time of the UNSC vote, that we should follow Chirac and not Bush ... forget how he put it exactly, but i defy him to argue with that interpretation .... there he was, with a perfect opportunity to promote revision of UN decision-making process, and he mumbled cheap idiocies 'He said Harper was for invading Iraq for the wrong reasons -- because the U.S. is our friend. ' To such extent as that's true of SH [and i think it is pretty much eh], KM is right - that's a wrong reason .... we are a sovereign nation and a distinct people, it is the duty of our leadership to think through foreign policy issues with purely canadian standards in mind, and let the friends and enemies line up where they will ... in no way does this threaten the US, as clearly we share with them a common interest in continental security, we must cooperate to great degree, and of course we have for many years and will continue to, on a sub-political basis, there are mountie and US cop liaisons on a longstanding first-name basis i'm sure Elective wars overseas are another matter .... Iraq was done poorly, far too unilaterally, in a pushy neocon haste, only a show of effort was made to collect a genuine coalition of democracies ... it was an opportunity for vision, for some world leader to stand up and say look, we have got to fix the UN, or replace it, to ensure that the Ruandas and Bosnias and Talibanistans can be dealt with, we need a structure with which we can act together on them .... but they all blew it, and it came down to the neocons versus the french ... pretty hard to pick a lesser evil from those two Nations don't have friends, they have interests ..... it's not in the interests of either the US or Canada that we go all rubber-kneed sycophant, do whatever we're ordered to do ... friends don't let friends drive drunk - when they say Jump, it is our duty to ask Why ... remember than in the case of Iraq, there were far more US nationals opposed to the way their rulers handled that than there are canadians in total, probably three or four times as many .... sure we've got friends down there, lots of them, allies and family, i think to an extent we must pick and choose which factions we support on any issue .... easy enough to decide, they'll be the ones who agree with us -g-