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To: elmatador who wrote (44828)	1/16/2004 8:31:52 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<During WWII women were thrown into the work force while men were shipped overseas. WWII finished, instead of sending the women back to their traditional roles (pre WWII) they're kept in the work force.> ElM, women aren't mindless robots which get sent hither and yon. They are people making choices. Those were choices they made. They are free-will bearing creatures, just like men, who look at the opportunities available to them and make choices, good or bad. They weren't thrown into the work force. Or kept there after the war. The initial issue about women's lib was that their choices should not be circumscribed by law. They should have a vote. They should have equality in law. They should not be stopped from doing things because they are female. Germaine Greer didn't invent women's lib. She wasn't even in the vanguard. She was still at school while my mother was being a feminist. Women's lib wasn't an invention, by an individual, or small group of individuals, like CDMA in cyberphones. It was a sociological shift resulting from many cultural changes in life in the 19th and 20th centuries. The major change was control of mating outcomes due to contraception. Women were no longer prisoners of sex drive and biology. Economic advances meant they could earn a good lot of money and be independent of a male partner bringing them food and goods while pregnant. The dominance hierarchies of our chimpoid antecedents gave way to democratic legal processes. The expression of free will and human minds became big time. Serfdom and slavery and humans as cannon fodder and chattels of the Lord of the Manor gave way to Liberty [read John Stuart Mill and many others]. Women's liberty was just part of that broad social phenomenon. Male liberty progressed too, though less spectacularly. Two centuries ago, cannibalism in New Zealand was normal. We've come a long way baby. Mqurice PS: Incidentally, it was my mother who laid a charge with the police against Germaine Greer when she was here in the early 1970s, for using the word bullshit, for which Tim Shadbolt was prosecuted some time before. That's a bit of history few know about. In fact, I doubt that my mother discussed the reasons for her complaint with many other than me. Most people just thought it was some wowser. Tim Shadbolt was a young political activist who was harrassed by the police and who wrote a book called "Bullshit and Jellybeans". Google would know about it all if you are curious.