SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : Bush Bashers & Wingnuts -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Rick McDougall who wrote (626)1/16/2004 7:46:17 PM
From: laura_bush  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1347
 
Always late on Friday afternoons that the Bush cabal slips in the insidious.

lb



To: Rick McDougall who wrote (626)1/16/2004 7:48:46 PM
From: geode00  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1347
 
U.S. Joins Iraqis to Seek U.N. Role in Interim Rule
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN and JOHN H. CUSHMAN Jr.

ASHINGTON, Jan. 15 — The Bush administration, trying to rescue its troubled plan to restore sovereignty to Iraq, is joining Iraqi leaders to press the United Nations to play a role in choosing an interim government in Baghdad, administration officials said Thursday.

L. Paul Bremer III, the American administrator in Baghdad, and an Iraqi delegation led by Adnan Pachachi, the current chairman of the Iraqi Governing Council, will make an urgent appeal on Monday for greater United Nations involvement, the officials said.

In Iraq on Thursday, tens of thousands of demonstrators put pressure on the United States to change its plans, marching in Basra to support calls by Iraq's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, for direct elections.

The new move involved yet another change in strategy for an administration under pressure from shifting events in Iraq. From the start of planning the war to oust Saddam Hussein, the administration has had an ambivalent attitude toward the United Nations.

As it begins to reach out for help, and as European nations indicate that they may provide some, the administration is also considering reversing itself and allowing businesses in countries that opposed the war, including France, Germany and Russia, to bid on contracts to rebuild Iraq, officials said.

In recent months, the administration has said it wanted the United Nations to take part in building Iraqi democracy after the transition to self-rule. But the administration's intention was disrupted when Ayatollah Sistani criticized as undemocratic the American plan for caucuses to select an interim government.

There were few details of what the United Nations was being asked to do to help the caucus plan, but administration officials said it could involve helping organize and perhaps certifying the legitimacy of the meetings.

The caucuses, to be held in each of Iraq's 18 states, are to choose delegations to a national assembly that will sit while a permanent constitution is written and elections are planned for 2005. The plan is so complex that some of its supporters confess to bewilderment about carrying it out.

"It's clear we want the United Nations to be involved," an administration official said. "It's clear the Iraqis want them. It's clear the security situation has improved, and we're willing to help with their security. But there are many stages we have to go through to get an agreement."

At the United Nations, Secretary General Kofi Annan is said to be highly reluctant to give his blessing to what is widely seen as a jerry-built process in effect concocted to let the United States hand over sovereignty to Iraq by June 30, as the American elections get under way.

"This meeting, for us, is a step along the way," an aide to Mr. Annan said. "It's not a meeting where there will be a decision on our part. We're going to listen to what they have to say, reflect on what they expect of us and get more detail on exactly how these caucuses are going to run."

Mr. Bremer left for Washington on Thursday to meet with President Bush on Friday. The circumstances of his sudden departure put pressure on Mr. Annan, whose reluctance to send a team back to Iraq is shared by colleagues still grieving over the bomb attack last summer on United Nations headquarters in Baghdad.

People close to Mr. Annan say he has rarely been in a more uncomfortable position. For months, he has wanted the United Nations to oversee Iraq's transition to self-government. But he did not want it to be seen as merely giving in to an American plan worked out with Iraqis chosen by Mr. Bremer.

In Baghdad, Mr. Pachachi said that as the Iraqi Governing Council tries to refine the mechanics of the caucuses, the United Nations would be of great help. "If the United Nations is unable or unwilling to play a big role, that would be a matter of great regret for us," he said.

What may persuade Mr. Annan to involve the United Nations, American officials said, is the urgent situation in Iraq, and the fact that Mr. Bremer and Mr. Pachachi are coming with a request for help endorsed implicitly by Ayatollah Sistani.

Administration officials took pains to say the effort to get Mr. Annan and the United Nations involved began with the Iraqis. This was in keeping with the American insistence that it is the Iraqis who are working out their governing problems.

One administration official said Mr. Pachachi, a former foreign minister, and a handful of other Iraqis on the Governing Council have borne the brunt of the work by leading the effort to write an interim Iraqi law that would determine the nation's federal structure, the role of Islam and many other issues.

"This is an Iraqi process," an American official insisted. "It's an Iraqi generated initiative. These guys in the Governing Council are trying to deal with their constituencies, including one very vocal constituent group that had 10,000 people in the streets of Basra this morning."

He was referring to the demonstration in the heart of Shiite territory backing the ayatollah's demands for a democratically elected interim government.

Since the beginning of the American occupation of Iraq, the United States has had difficulties dealing with the country's three biggest groups: Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites. Now those problems are reaching full boil, according to some administration officials, with Kurds demanding their own semiautonomous state, Sunnis feeling frozen out because of a campaign to rid Iraq's leadership of anyone associated with Mr. Hussein and now Shiites demanding a more democratic transition.

American officials say the Nov. 15 plan, with its caucus process, is "holy writ" in the administration.

The tough question is likely to be whether the United Nations takes part in the caucuses, perhaps even conducting ballots at the caucus meetings. But aides to Mr. Annan say they fear signing on to something that only looks democratic.

"Are we supposed to have an advisory role or to have people in each of Iraq's 18 provinces?" a United Nations official asked. "What would they do if they are out in the provinces? Who handles their security? Are we being asked to do something where we have no real authority? These are very difficult questions that need to be answered."

More than one official noted the coincidence that the session to discuss the legitimacy of caucuses would occur on the very day of the Iowa caucuses, which are also notorious for their complexity.



To: Rick McDougall who wrote (626)1/16/2004 9:43:44 PM
From: Sidney Reilly  Respond to of 1347
 
I am not shocked. What a great subject! Bush is not only Hitler, his family has had Nazi business ties in the past and the US government had to step in and stop the Bush's from doing business with the Nazi's in 1942!



To: Rick McDougall who wrote (626)1/17/2004 4:21:31 PM
From: Skywatcher  Respond to of 1347
 
that's NOTHING.....CROOK CHENEY IS KILLING ANIMALS WITH JUDGE SCALIA WHILE HIS 3 YEAR CASE IS PENDING IN FRONT OF HIM!!!! AS WELL AS BEING ELECTED BY HIM....THEY NEVER STOP!!!!!!!
Trip With Cheney Puts Ethics Spotlight on Scalia
Friends hunt ducks together, even as the justice is set to hear the vice president's case.

By David G. Savage, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney and Supreme Court Justice
Antonin Scalia spent part of last week duck hunting together at a private camp
in southern Louisiana just three weeks after the court agreed to take up the
vice president's appeal in lawsuits over his handling of the administration's
energy task force.

While Scalia and Cheney are avid hunters and longtime friends, several
experts in legal ethics questioned the timing of their trip and said it raised
doubts about Scalia's ability to judge the case impartially.

But Scalia rejected that
concern Friday, saying,
"I do not think my
impartiality could
reasonably be
questioned."

Federal law says "any
justice or judge shall
disqualify himself in any
proceeding in which his
impartiality might be
questioned." For nearly three years, Cheney has
been fighting demands that he reveal whether he
met with energy industry officials, including
Kenneth L. Lay when he was chairman of Enron,
while he was formulating the president's energy policy.

A lower court ruled that Cheney must turn over documents detailing who met with his task force, but
on Dec. 15, the high court announced it would hear his appeal. The justices are due to hear arguments
in April in the case of "in re Richard B. Cheney."

In a written response to an inquiry from the Times about the hunting trip, Scalia said: "Cheney was
indeed among the party of about nine who hunted from the camp. Social contacts with high-level
executive officials (including cabinet officers) have never been thought improper for judges who may
have before them cases in which those people are involved in their official capacity, as opposed to their
personal capacity. For example, Supreme Court Justices are regularly invited to dine at the White
House, whether or not a suit seeking to compel or prevent certain presidential action is pending."

Cheney does not face a personal penalty in the pending lawsuits. He could not be forced to pay
damages, for example.

But the suits are not routine disputes about the powers of Cheney's office. Rather, the plaintiffs — the
Sierra Club and Judicial Watch — contend that Cheney and his staff violated an open-government
measure known as the Federal Advisory Committee Act by meeting behind closed doors with outside
lobbyists for the oil, gas, coal and nuclear industries.

Stephen Gillers, a New York University law professor, said Scalia should have skipped going hunting
with Cheney this year.

"A judge may have a friendship with a lawyer, and that's fine. But if the lawyer has a case before the
judge, they don't socialize until it's over. That shows a proper respect for maintaining the public's
confidence in the integrity of the process," said Gillers, who is an expert on legal ethics. "I think Justice
Scalia should have been cognizant of that and avoided contact with the vice president until this was
over. And this is not like a dinner with 25 or 30 people. This is a hunting trip where you are together for
a few days."

The pair arrived Jan. 5 on Gulfstream jets and were guests of Wallace Carline, the owner of Diamond
Services Corp., an oil services company in Amelia, La. The Associated Press in Morgan City, La.,
reported the trip on the day the vice president and his entourage departed.

"They asked us not to bring cameras out there," said Sheriff David Naquin, who serves St. Mary
Parish, about 90 miles southwest of New Orleans, referring to the group's request for privacy. "The
vice president and the justice were there for a relaxing trip, so we backed off."

While the local police were told about Cheney's trip shortly before his arrival, they were told to keep it
a secret, Naquin said.

"The justice had been here several times before. I'm kind of sorry Cheney picked that week because it
was a poor shooting week," Naquin said. "There weren't many ducks here, which is unusual for this
time of the year."

Scalia agreed with the sheriff's assessment.

"The duck hunting was lousy. Our host said that in 35 years of duck hunting on this lease, he had never
seen so few ducks," the justice said in his written response to the Times. "I did come back with a few
ducks, which tasted swell."

In October, Justice Scalia announced he would not participate in the court's handling of a case involving
the Pledge of Allegiance; that case is due to be heard in March. It stems from a U.S. 9th Circuit Court
of Appeals ruling two years ago that declared unconstitutional the use of the words "under God" in the
Pledge that is recited daily by millions of schoolchildren. These words were added to the Pledge by
Congress in 1954, and they amount to an official government promotion of religion, the appeals court
said.

Last year, Justice Scalia appeared to criticize that ruling in a speech at a Religious Freedom Day event
in Fredericksburg, Va. "We could eliminate 'under God' from the Pledge of Allegiance," he said. "That
could be democratically done."

But this is contrary to the wishes of most Americans, and it should not be done by judges or courts, he
added.

The California school district that was on the losing end in the Pledge case appealed to the Supreme
Court last summer.

Its lawyers urged the justices to restore the use of the words "under God."

While the appeal was pending, the Sacramento-area atheist who won the ruling in the 9th Circuit filed a
motion suggesting Scalia withdraw from the case. He cited news account of Scalia's speech and the
federal law mandating disqualifications whenever the judge's impartiality "might reasonably be
questioned." When the court announced it would hear the case, Scalia also announced he would not
participate.

Steven Lubet, who teaches judicial ethics at Northwestern University Law School, said he was not
convinced that Scalia must withdraw from the Cheney case but said the trip raised a number of
questions.

"It's not clear this requires disqualification, but there are not separate rules for longtime friends," he said.
"This is not like a lawyer going on a fishing trip with a judge. A lawyer is one step removed. Cheney is
the litigant in this case. The question is whether the justice's hunting partner did something wrong. And
the whole purpose of these rules is to ensure the appearance of impartiality in regard to the litigants
before the court."

The code of conduct for federal judges sets guidelines for members of the judiciary, but it does not set
clear-cut rules. A judge should "act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the
integrity and impartiality of the judiciary," it says. "A judge should not allow family, social or other
relationships to influence judicial conduct or judgments," it says. Nor should a judge "permit others to
convey the impression that they are in a special position to influence the judge."

In the lower courts, litigants may ask a judge to step aside. And if the request is refused, they may
appeal to a higher court.

At the Supreme Court, the justices decide for themselves whether to step aside. On occasion, Justice
Sandra Day O'Connor has withdrawn from business cases because she owns stock in one of the
companies.

The justices have been reluctant to withdraw from a case simply because a former clerk is handling the
dispute, or their son or daughter works at a law firm participating in the case. Last year, for example,
Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist said he did not see a need to withdraw from a pending appeal in the
Microsoft antitrust case simply because his son, a lawyer, was working on a related case.