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To: KyrosL who wrote (44873)1/17/2004 7:08:58 AM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 74559
 
There are a few other civilized ways besides of plain 'suiciding'.

Donna Rice seating on the lap of Gary Hart in a yatch called 'Money Business' was enough to shut him up. Once I read his book "America can Win" I said this guy will never ever be govern,ent of the US.

He never was.

USSR just called them derranged and sent to the psychiatric hospitals. They improved, though, today they just send the guy to jail, like they did with oil company.

Panama's Noriega? Just tell he dealt with drugs and lock him up forever.

My favorites are the Germans when for over ten years, despite being disbanded, the RAF was coming back out of nowhere, to murder someone.

Herrhausen of the Deutsche Bank.

The man in charge of the "Treuhandanstalt" - the government agency in charge of selling off former state assets of the GDR.

The Siemens VP in charge of Star Wars in Germany.
Are some examples.



To: KyrosL who wrote (44873)1/17/2004 7:16:35 AM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 74559
 
Those who grew up on those kindergartens that passes as countries, reared by women until they are 15, are led to believe that if they open their window and the trash cans are clean, the whole world is clean.

Until one day they wake up and discover that there are Enron's, WCOM, Parmalats, Tyco's and Xerox. Once it start biting in their pocktes they will wake up.



To: KyrosL who wrote (44873)1/17/2004 5:36:13 PM
From: AC Flyer  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
>>Those that grew up under repressive regimes, where extra-judicial murders by the government were common, are usually pretty paranoid about all governments.....Therefore, the notion that the government would murder somebody that airs dirty government laundry appears perfectly plausible to them.<<

For sure. Brazilians may have good reason to be paranoid and mistrustful. My objection is to (1) the idea that nothing is as it seems, to (2) the projection of paranoid fantasies onto every media-worthy event and to (3) the assertion that those who believe the dog didn't bark because there was nothing for the dog to bark at are naive.

My general ideology is that, in most cases, Occam's Razor applies and that the large majority of humanity's mishaps are the result of incompetence, stupidity and greed, and not of complex criminal conspiracies.

That's not to say that I can not be drawn to the dark side when the evidence warrants. For example, I think that the circumstances of Princess Diana's death offer numerous investigation-worthy loose ends, as does the destruction of TWA Flight 800.

Nevertheless, I offer the observation that there are gaping holes in elmat's train of logic(?), which went like this:
(1) US troops who offer politically unpalatable observations regarding the situation in Iraq will be "suicided" (elmat's term).
(2) elmat knows that this kind of military fratricide is common because he talked (corresponded?, e-mailed?) with some geriatric Nazi, who offered some kind of corroborating hearsay "evidence."
(3) That the matter is further proven because it is obvious (at least to elmat) that the British Government assassinated David Kelly.
(4) Last but not least, anyone who does not share elmat's pov is some kind of milksop innocent.

This series of propositions, offered without the slightest shred of evidence, just does not seem to me to be worthy of serious consideration.



To: KyrosL who wrote (44873)3/11/2004 4:46:51 PM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
Kyros, wonder who perpetrated bombings in Madrid?

<<The (RAF) guys had to write to say they have retired otherwise crimes would continue to be commited in their name. Only them it stopped.>>
Message 19704751

ETA has been quiet for a long time. So it was not ETA. Of course!! Who could have done this terrible bombing in 11 Of March?? Wait a moment, 11? What a coincidence!

3/11?? It mus have been the Al Qaeda!