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To: lurqer who wrote (35509)1/17/2004 11:02:31 PM
From: coug  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Thanks again lurqer,

For posting stuff.. As you may or not know, I write my own sheet, not quoting or linking other's columns, thoughts etc.. But relying on my own experience, observations and background for coming up with my own conclusions..

Like tonight, when I talked again and laughed with my brother tonight about the collective intelligence of farmers and ranchers, of whom we both diss.. So:

I told him about how easy the crossword puzzles were in the "Capital Press", and how they must make them so easy for the farmers, etc. Big laughs about the "red states".

And he so countered by telling me a story about our dad, a story which I never heard or forgot, about when our dad went into town to buy a new chain saw.. And when the shop owner showed him a chain saw marked "special for ranchers or farmers", he walked out in disgust, and came home and told my bro, "any god damn chain saw marked for most farmers and ranchers is not worth buying, because most of these dumb bastards don't know their Ass from a whole or hole <g> in the ground"...FROM:

JME, (Just my Experiences),

c



To: lurqer who wrote (35509)1/17/2004 11:08:05 PM
From: Rick Faurot  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Clark Steadily Gains Momentum in N.H.
As Most Rivals Court Iowa, Candidate Points to Résumé
By David S. Broder
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 18, 2004; Page A05

EPPING, N.H., Jan. 17 -- Friday night, retired Army Gen. Wesley K. Clark enjoyed an experience he will not soon be able to repeat.



While most of his rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination were putting on their final push for votes in Monday's Iowa caucuses and Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (Conn.) was observing the Jewish Sabbath, Clark had New Hampshire all to himself.

He made the most of it, drawing an overflow crowd of about 400 on a frosty night to the elementary school gym in this normally Republican town halfway between Manchester and the seacoast.

Saturday, Clark was all over the state, staging five events at which he was accompanied by fellow Arkansans, led by former senators Dale Bumpers and David Pryor. On Sunday, while Lieberman is in South Carolina and the others are still camped in Iowa, the former NATO commander will build his bonds with voters in the first primary state by joining a crowd in Sunapee watching television as the New England Patriots play the Indianapolis Colts for the American Football Conference championship.

But come Tuesday, when the quintet of candidates contesting Iowa arrives by plane, the landscape and airwaves will be crowded until the polls open Jan. 27.

By all measures -- including public polls and the judgments of rival managers -- Clark has benefited from his decision to skip Iowa and to camp out here.

Dante Scala, a professor at Saint Anselm College and author of a recent book on the New Hampshire primary, said on Saturday: "Clark has clearly made better use of the time than Lieberman," the only other candidate to bypass Iowa. "Lieberman has made a little movement, but Clark has made big strides; some would say he has caught fire. He has used his biography to the best advantage of all the candidates, and his low-key, self-deprecating manner has established a connection with the voters."

Scala and others note that Clark's personal appeal -- backed by the heaviest television advertising buy of any campaign in the past three weeks -- may have outrun his organizational muscle. The Clark staff scrambles even to collect names of those turning out to see him and apparently lacks the quick follow-up to potential supporters for which Howard Dean's organization is noted.

Private tracking polls suggest that the surge of support everyone noted for Clark in the first half of January may have leveled off as spokesmen for rivals Lieberman, Dean and Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) have begun criticizing the general's consistency and questioning his very recent affiliation with the Democratic Party. Kerry was doing just that Saturday from Iowa.

And it is Kerry whom the Concord Monitor chose to endorse in its Sunday edition, saying he "is prepared to take office tomorrow." Still, no one disputes that in the temporary, two-way fight for attention and support in New Hampshire, Clark has far outdistanced Lieberman.

Geoffrey Garin, the general's pollster, said that when Clark entered the race in mid-September -- long after all the others had begun -- Dean had 43 percent of the New Hampshire primary vote and Clark 5 percent, trailing not only Dean and Kerry, but also Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.) and Sen. John Edwards (N.C.). Less than one-quarter of the voters here said they knew enough about him to make any judgment.

"We have not completely eliminated the disadvantage," Garin said. "But now 59 percent say they know a lot or a good deal about him, and he actually leads Dean within that group."

The gains have come from a relentless emphasis on Clark's biography -- a modest boyhood in Arkansas (somewhat akin to Bill Clinton's), top of his class at West Point, Rhodes scholar, wounded in Vietnam and then a rise to four-star general -- all capsulized in a slick film shown to audiences before Clark speaks.

His speeches bristle with criticism of President Bush, but not of his Democratic rivals, and emphasize the intangible quality of leadership far more than policy positions. As a result, Garin said, he has much lower negative scores than Dean and more even appeal across the ideological spectrum of Democrats and independents, who also can vote in the primary here. The solidity of that reputation will be tested in the final week of campaigning, including a debate.

Lieberman, by contrast, has pursued a different strategy as he has moved into a Manchester apartment for the month. Brian Hardwick, his deputy campaign manager, said Lieberman has spent more time with newspapers around the state, explaining his tax reform plan and other proposals, and focusing on undecided voters at house parties and coffee hours.

Lieberman also has been Dean's most caustic and consistent critic, claiming the mantle of Clintonian "New Democrat" policies for himself and arguing that the former Vermont governor is outside of that successful tradition. Hardwick conceded that "Clark may have been the immediate beneficiary" of the doubts about Dean sown by Lieberman and the Iowa rivals, "but now there are doubts about him [Clark]. We think that in the end, Joe's integrity and consistency over a 30-year career will bring people to him."

But local reporters note that the crowds at Lieberman's events have been small compared with those at Clark's and that he has seemed awkward at times, trying to tie himself to Clinton in an appeal to Democrats but also claiming to independents a political kinship with Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the winner of the 2000 GOP primary here.

A rival campaign manager said of Lieberman: "He's not a fresh face and he's got a complex message, and he's been the most negative of all the candidates. None of that has helped him."

Staff writer Jonathan Finer contributed to this report.



To: lurqer who wrote (35509)1/18/2004 12:18:22 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Iowa Poll finds surge by Kerry, Edwards

desmoinesregister.com

By JONATHAN ROOS
Des Moines Register Staff Writer
01/17/2004
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A late surge by Democratic presidential candidates John Kerry and John Edwards has pushed them slightly ahead of long-standing front-runners Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt in the race to win Monday's Iowa caucuses, a new Des Moines Register poll shows.

Kerry, a U.S. senator from Massachusetts, leads the Iowa Poll with 26 percent of likely caucus participants naming him their first choice for the presidency. The poll, conducted Tuesday through Friday, also showed him gaining strength as the week wore on.


Iowa Poll tables and graphs

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Edwards, a North Carolina senator who was in single digits in an Iowa Poll taken two months ago, follows in second place at 23 percent - his highest finish in any media poll.

Dean, the candidate who seemed to be in the driver's seat as recently as two weeks ago with a key endorsement from Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin, has slipped to third at 20 percent. But the former Vermont governor remains within striking distance of the lead in an unusually close race in which almost half of caucus-goers say they could still change their minds.

Dick Gephardt, the Missouri congressman who is counting on a strong finish with help from labor unions, has dropped to fourth place at 18 percent. Gephardt won the caucuses in 1988 before losing the nomination to Michael Dukakis.

"The character of the race has changed dramatically. Kerry has surged into the lead, followed by an even more spectacular move by Edwards into second place," said J. Ann Selzer, the Register's pollster.

"The luster has faded from Dean's campaign, and Gephardt has stumbled down the stretch as well," Selzer said.

Four other candidates trail far behind in single digits, led by U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio at 3 percent. Kucinich has been actively campaigning in the state, but Wesley Clark, at 2 percent, and Joe Lieberman and Al Sharpton, at 1 percent each, are not competing in the caucuses.

The poll has a margin of error of 4 percentage points. Percentages include those who say they are leaning toward supporting a particular candidate.

It takes more than popularity to win the caucuses, however. Campaigns must get supporters to their meetings Monday and keep them on board while recruiting other candidates' supporters and undecided voters.

The quartet of candidates still in the thick of the race have two days left to sway opinions and urge supporters to attend the caucuses, which launch the presidential nominating process.

Candidates generally aim to finish third or better in Iowa to strengthen their bids in New Hampshire and other states with early nominating contests. Exceeding political pundits' expectations is also an important campaign goal.

The poll offers ample evidence that the contest remains fluid:

* Just 8 percentage points separate Kerry, in first place, from Gephardt, in fourth.

* Nearly half of those who have a candidate preference - 47 percent - say they still could be persuaded to support someone else.

* Five percent of likely caucus participants are still undecided.

Poll participant Alicia Carriquiry, associate provost and professor of statistics at Iowa State University, said she might wait until Monday night before she makes up her mind.

"I have two or three favorites: Kerry, Edwards and Dean," said Carriquiry, 46. "I like Dean's position on the war. I like Kerry's position on taxes and the economy. I cannot pinpoint what I like about Edwards, but he makes pretty good sense."

There are other variables that make it difficult to predict the outcome of the Democratic caucuses.

While Kerry and Edwards seem to have the momentum, Dean and Gephardt have strong campaign organizations that appear capable of getting large numbers of their supporters to the caucuses. Dean has tried hard to draw young people and other newcomers into the party in support of his candidacy.

The Iowa Poll shows that a 55 percent majority of likely caucus-goers definitely plan to attend the events, while another 45 percent say they probably will go.

In another sign of strength for Kerry, he is supported by 33 percent of those definitely planning to attend the caucuses. Dean comes in second in this group with 21 percent. Edwards and Gephardt follow with 19 percent and 16 percent, respectively.

The race has seen a surprising reversal of fortunes for Dean and Gephardt, who took turns leading Iowa Polls in July and November, and for Kerry and Edwards, who lagged behind in those polls and seemed destined to finish third or worse in the caucuses. Now, all bets are off.

During polling for the Register last week, Kerry's two-day rolling average climbed from 24 percent on Tuesday and Wednesday to 29 percent on Thursday and Friday. Edwards' level of support increased a little more gradually.

Support for Dean dropped by 7 points, to 16 percent on Thursday and Friday.

"He's had just a terrible two weeks, part of which has to do with the fact his opponents have been hammering him pretty good. And part of it is self-inflicted wounds with some misstatements," said Peverill Squire, a University of Iowa political science professor.

In addition,'some Iowans are beginning to have reservations about whether he can win in November, and I think the undecideds are breaking to other candidates," Squire said.

The Iowa Poll shows likely caucus participants have become a little less fond of Dean. In November, 73 percent of those with an opinion about him rated their feelings toward him favorably, and 27 percent rated him unfavorably. In the new poll, 63 percent regard him favorably and 37 percent unfavorably.

By comparison, 85 percent in the latest poll say their feelings toward Edwards, a candidate running on a campaign theme of staying positive, are favorable. Kerry's favorability rating is virtually the same at 84 percent.

Poll participant Jon Torgerson, a Drake philosophy professor from Urbandale, said Kerry was his first choice for president, but he might change his mind.

"I like his position on education, on taxes. I think he would be very good at pointing out what a bad president (George W.) Bush is," said Torgerson, 61. "Also, in a sense, I've sort of forgiven him for his bad position on the war in Iraq. The position he took (in support of the war) was a mistake and he should have known it, but I think he's learned from it."

Torgerson said he still could be persuaded to support another candidate. "I think that there are a number of good candidates, and there's just so much going on it's hard to keep track of everybody," he said. "So if someone pointed a few things out, I might very well switch. A few months ago, I was a Dean supporter, and I think Edwards has a lot going for him, too."

Besides the economy and health care, the war in Iraq has been a key issue in the race for the Democratic nomination. Dean and Kucinich have stressed their opposition to the war from the beginning. Gephardt, Kerry and Edwards voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to go to war, but they have harshly criticized the Republican incumbent for his handling of the situation.

When Saddam Hussein was captured last month, Dean insisted that the nation wasn't any safer with the former Iraqi dictator in custody. The Iowa Poll shows 54 percent of likely caucus participants agree with Dean. Thirty-one percent say the United States is safer because of Saddam's capture.

Poll respondent Daniel Schluter is a dairy farmer from Marengo who backs Dean partly because of his anti-war stance.

"He's against the war and he does a good job with health care reform. I think he'd end up being a good leader and take America back from all the big shots," said Schluter, 32.

Each candidate has tried to make the case that he has the best chance of beating Bush in the November election. Many Democrats are upset with Bush's policies and want to settle scores from the bitterly contested 2000 election that ended in the Florida recount.

The poll shows likely caucus participants are ready to put pragmatism ahead of principle. Fifty-nine percent say it's more important that a Democratic candidate appeal to a large swath of voters across the country, while 32 percent say it's more important to have a candidate who will uphold the party's core principles.

Poll participant Michael Schroeder, 52, of Ossian is drawn to Edwards partly because he thinks the North Carolinian is more electable than other candidates.

"I like the idea he's from the South and he can pull in more of the states. I don't think anyone from the East can make it," said Schroeder, who works at a landfill.

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About the poll

The Iowa Poll, conducted for The Des Moines Register by Selzer & Co. Inc. of Des Moines, is based on interviews with 606 registered Iowa voters who say they definitely or probably will attend the Democratic caucuses. Interviewers contacted voters registered as Democrat, Green or no-party by using randomly selected telephone numbers from the Iowa secretary of state's voter registration list. Percentages based on the full sample may have a maximum margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. Republishing the copyrighted Iowa Poll without credit to The Des Moines Register is prohibited.

The poll, conducted Jan. 13-16, asked the following:

How likely is it you will attend the Democratic precinct caucuses? Will you definitely attend, probably attend, might or might not attend, or probably not attend?

I'd like to begin by mentioning the names of some current public figures and the candidates running for the Democratic nomination for president. For each name I read, please tell me if your feelings toward the person are very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable.

Which one of the following Democratic candidates would be your first choice for president? (Among those who don't volunteer a first choice) Toward which candidate would you say you are leaning, or would say you support the most?

Who would your second choice be?

When it comes to your support of (candidate named first choice for president), would you say your mind is made up, or could you still be persuaded to support another candidate as your first choice?

As you consider which candidate to support, which of the following is more important to you: a candidate who will uphold the core principles of the Democratic Party, even though some positions may be less popular in certain parts of the country, or a candidate who can appeal to a broad range of voters across the country, even if it means compromising on some core Democratic principles?

I'm going to mention some things people consider when choosing a candidate. I'd like you to think just about your first choice (for president) and tell me which one or two of these are your candidate's most impressive strengths: Position on the war in Iraq. Lack of ties to special interests in Washington. Experience in international relations. Ability to appear "presidential." Experience in the federal government. Ability to win the support of Congress for the candidate's agenda. Ability to defeat President Bush and win the general election.

I'm going to read the list again. This time I'd like you to tell me which of these is your candidate's main weakness. I need at least one answer, but I can take two. On which of these is your candidate just a little weaker?

When you think about the war in Iraq and what's happened in recent weeks, do you feel the U.S. is or is not safer with the capture of Saddam Hussein?