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To: Thomas M. who wrote (35539)1/18/2004 9:56:37 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Ya gotta love Mr. Bush's 'Clear Skies Initiative'...

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Are the Bushies really concerned about protecting our environment for future generations OR are they just catering to big business interests...?



To: Thomas M. who wrote (35539)1/18/2004 10:29:24 AM
From: Rascal  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
Scalia trip with Cheney raises eyebrows
Justice to hear case of energy task force
By David G. Savage, Los Angeles Times, 1/18/2004

WASHINGTON -- Vice President Dick Cheney and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia spent part of last week duck hunting at a private camp in southern Louisiana, three weeks after the Supreme Court had agreed to take up the vice president's appeal in lawsuits over his handling of the administration's energy task force. While Scalia and Cheney are avid hunters and longtime friends, several legal ethics specialists questioned the timing of their trip, and said it raised doubts about Scalia's ability to judge the case impartially.

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Scalia said Friday: "I do not think my impartiality could reasonably be questioned."

Federal law says: "Any justice or judge shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might be questioned."

For almost three years, Cheney has been fighting demands that he reveal whether he met with energy industry officials, including the chairman of Enron at the time, Kenneth L. Lay, when Cheney was formulating the president's energy policy.

A lower court has ruled that Cheney must turn over documents detailing who met with his task force, but on Dec. 15, the Supreme Court announced it would hear an appeal. The justices are due to hear arguments in April "in re Richard B. Cheney."

In a written response to an inquiry from the Los Angeles Times about the hunting trip, Scalia said: "Cheney was indeed among the party of about nine who hunted from the camp. Social contacts with high-level executive officials (including Cabinet officers) have never been thought improper for judges who may have before them cases in which those people are involved in their official capacity, as opposed to their personal capacity. For example, Supreme Court justices are regularly invited to dine at the White House, whether or not a suit seeking to compel or prevent certain presidential action is pending."

Cheney does not face a personal penalty in the pending lawsuits. He could not be forced to pay damages, for example.

But the suits are not routine disputes about the powers of Cheney's office. The plaintiffs, the Sierra Club and Judicial Watch, say Cheney and his staff violated an open-government measure known as the Federal Advisory Committee Act by meeting behind closed doors with outside lobbyists for the oil, gas, coal, and nuclear industries.

A New York University law professor, Stephen Gillers, said Scalia should have skipped going hunting with Cheney this year.

"A judge may have a friendship with a lawyer, and that's fine. But if the lawyer has a case before the judge, they don't socialize until it's over. That shows a proper respect for maintaining the public's confidence in the integrity of the process," said Gillers, who specializes in legal ethics. "I think Justice Scalia should have been cognizant of that and avoided contact with the vice president until this was over. And this is not like a dinner with 25 or 30 people. This is a hunting trip, where you are together for a few days."

The pair arrived Jan. 5 and were guests of Wallace Carline, the owner of Diamond Services Corp. an oil services company in Amelia, La. The Associated Press in Morgan City, La., reported the trip on the day the vice president and his entourage departed.

"They asked us not to bring cameras out there," said Sheriff David Naquin, who serves St. Mary Parish, 90 miles southwest of New Orleans, referring to the request for privacy. "The vice president and the justice were there for a relaxing trip."

While the local police were told about Cheney's trip shortly before his arrival, they were told to keep it a secret, Naquin said.

"The justice had been here several times before. I'm kind of sorry Cheney picked that week because it was a poor shooting week," Naquin said. "There weren't many ducks here, which is unusual for this time of the year."

Scalia agreed with the sheriff's assessment.

"The duck hunting was lousy. Our host said that in 35 years of duck hunting on this lease, he had never seen so few ducks," the justice said in his written response to the Times. "I did come back with a few ducks, which tasted swell."

Northwestern University law professor Steven Lubet, who teaches judicial ethics, said that he was not convinced Scalia must withdraw from the Cheney case, but that the trip had raised a number of questions.

"It's not clear this requires disqualification, but there are not separate rules for longtime friends," he said. "This is not like a lawyer going on a fishing trip with a judge. A lawyer is one step removed. Cheney is the litigant in this case. The question is whether the justice's hunting partner did something wrong. And the whole purpose of these rules is to ensure the appearance of impartiality in regard to the litigants before the court."

The code of conduct for federal judges sets guidelines for members of the judiciary, but it does not set clear-cut rules. "A judge should . . . act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary," it says. "A judge should not allow family, social or other relationships to influence judicial conduct or judgments . . . or permit others to convey the impression that they are in a special position to influence the judge."

In the lower courts, litigants may ask a judge to step aside. And if the request is refused, they may appeal to a higher court.
boston.com

Rascal @AIsForArrogant.com



To: Thomas M. who wrote (35539)1/18/2004 6:35:41 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
"Isn't it strange that all of us on SI who opposed the war knew that Saddam had no WMD program?"

LOL! Then all of those alleged experts on SI were 100%
wrong. Saddam maintained his WMD programs right up until
he was removed. That's an irrefutable fact.

STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP (ISG)
odci.gov.

Powell Says Kay Report Confirms Iraq Defied U.N. Res. 1441
usinfo.state.gov

Statement by Director of Central Intelligence George J. Tenet on the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on
Iraq’s Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction
odci.gov

Iraq's WMD Programs: Culling Hard Facts from Soft Myths
odci.gov.

Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs
October 2002
fas.org

Iraqi Mobile Biological Warfare Agent Production Plants
odci.gov

Clinton believed Iraq had WMD
Fri 9 Jan 2004
Message 19674178

Strategic Choices, Intelligence Challenges
Iraq's WMD's
Message 19669942

Clinton believed Iraq had WMD
Fri 9 Jan 2004
Message 19674178



To: Thomas M. who wrote (35539)1/18/2004 7:58:59 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
"Feith, for those who don't know, was in charge of the operation which conjured up all of our phony intelligence."

Hmmm, then why did the CIA confirm the authenticity of the
Feith memo (prepared for the Senate Intelligence Committee
looking into our pre-war intelligence)? Why have other
intelligence agencies continued to back up the links
between Saddam & Al Qaeda, as well as other irrefutable
terrorist ties?

Why? Because Saddam had numerous irrefutable ties to
terrorist organisations, including Al Qaeda.

Iraq and Terrorism
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell
state.gov

The U.S. government's secret memo detailing cooperation between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.
Message 19506425
Message 19509006

The Saddam-Osama Memo
A close examination of the Defense Department's latest statement
Message 19524655

White House Fact Sheet
defendamerica.mil

The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties
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The Al Qaeda Connection
frontpagemag.com

Raid Finds al-Qaida Tie to Iraq Ansar al-Islam Militants
vikingphoenix.com.

Raid on Ansar Al-Islam Indicates Strong Al Qaeda Ties, Leadership on the Run to Iran
foxnews.com

Saddam confidant linked to terrorist group
usatoday.com

Salman Pak - Iraq's Own Terrorist Training Camp
intelmessages.org

Sabah Khodada describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak
pbs.org