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To: stormrider1 who wrote (965)1/19/2004 5:13:24 PM
From: Fredman  Respond to of 1082
 
They just weren't in sync.

Look at Indianapolis - 2 playoff games - unstoppable.
In the last game, they looked like an average football team that made more than a few mistakes. Stoppable. Either by themselves, or with help from the other team.

Can you say Philly played bad WITHOUT saying Carolina forced them into some mistakes ? Yes, Philly didn't look too good, but Carolina helped them to not look good.



To: stormrider1 who wrote (965)1/21/2004 11:09:13 PM
From: LTK007  Respond to of 1082
 
two messages coming at you.
first is a must read----this guy Will Bunch is a first rate sports writer with a solid sense of humor.
This article is a good laugh(written with humor)
and is dedicated to all who have had their team "let you down"

<There's pain here in Notitletown
By WILLIAM BUNCH
bunchw@phillynews.com

I'M FROM Philadelphia.

Will somebody please kill me?


With the third loss in the NFC title game in as many years, hope for the Eagles has now gone way past the agony of defeat to existential despair.

Any city can win a championship. Heck, tiny little Green Bay's won a dozen of 'em - if you don't believe me, I'll forward you some of the 1,200 or so e-mails I've received in the past week from ice-fishing country.

San Antonio did it in 2003, and so did the borough of East Rutherford, N.J. Maybe the Queen City of Charlotte will in two weeks. But it takes a special talent for a city as large as Philadelphia to go more than two decades without a parade.

We prefer to find new and creative ways to lose. Last night, it was becoming the first home team to lose an NFL championship game in back-to-back years. Last year, it was Tampa Bay's first meaningful win in under-40-degree cold.

God knows what it's going to be next year.

Here in Notitletown, USA, our trophy drought will turn old enough to legally get drunk on May 31 of this year, its 21st birthday.

Join the club.

And to come so close to the Super Bowl that we could taste it makes it even more painful. How many times in the next year will people replay the turning points of yesterday's game - the first interception by Ricky Manning Jr., or the second, or the third - that prevented us from strolling that last mile to Houston.

There - we've ranted a little. Do you feel better now?

Because that's what the experts say you need to do today, if you want to get yesterday's debacle out of your bloodstream as quickly as possible.

Vent - as often and as loudly as you can. At the water cooler. On sports talk radio. To your kids. To your dog. Let it out.

Joel Fish, who heads the Center for Sports Psychology here in Philadelphia, said yesterday that "for 90 percent of fans, this will be the first thing that they talk about with their friends. It's beneficial to get it out of your system."

How long will it take to start feeling like your old self again? Fish estimates that maybe half of all Philly fans should be thinking by tomorrow of something else, even if it's how lousy the Sixers and Flyers have been playing lately.

Indeed, most fans - 75 percent, Fish estimates - will have moved on by midweek.

Actually, another fan psychology expert, Daniel Wann of Murray State University in Kentucky, suggests that many of you were subconsciously preparing for yesterday's 14-3 loss to Carolina, possibly days ahead of time.

Wann calls it "pro-active pessimism," one of the six or seven coping mechanisms used to deal with the inevitable - especially, it seems, in Philadelphia - defeat.

"That's pessimism prior to the event," Wann explained. "For Eagles fans, as the game got closer and closer, many grew more and more pessimistic." While most fans were expecting victory after the Eagles clinched the No. 1 seed, that number likely dropped as kickoff time approached.

"The more confident you are, the more likely your hopes will be dashed," Wann said. "Already in the back of your mind, you've prepared yourself for the loss."

Then there's something that Wann called "retroactive pessimism" - an art that we've already mastered here in Philadelphia. "That's when fans say after the fact that we never really had a chance anyway."

In this case, you could say - in fact, you probably already have - that the Eagles lost because the upstart Panthers were a team of destiny who played with nothing to lose because nobody expected them to be here in the first place. Or you can say it was all because budding superstar Brian Westbrook went down with injury - the last and most serious of a string of ailments that hampered the team.

Despite all the hype, most Philadelphians aren't really as obsessed with football as our reputation. That's why most of us are going to bounce back quickly.

But not all of us.

Fish says he worries about the 10 percent or so of fans who'll still be obsessing about yesterday's loss at this time next week.

"What the real issue here is, more often than not, that the fan has started to identify with the players to the point that he's lost the boundaries between 'us' and 'them,' " Fish said. He said he hears fans like this calling into WIP-AM (610) sports-talk radio - talking about "we" winning or losing instead of "the team."

Fish said in cases such as this, the person "needs to look at what is going on in his own life and the meaning of all this, so they can try to get back some perspective."

However, he also noted that losing such a close game is especially painful - that it will cause a lot of second guessing about plays that could have swung the outcome. He predicted it will cause people to say "it's something about Philadelphia, that we're cursed, all of those feelings that it's our destiny to get close but never get to the promised land."

It's probably best to end this with the words of an expert recently quoted in the Press-Gazette newspaper.

"Individuals that tend to over-identify with the team are going to probably be the ones that get into trouble," Theodore La Vaque said. "You have to be able to regard it as entertainment.

"Sports is basically an entertainment venue, and people that become overly identified with it, the ones that get angry and react as though they've been personally insulted in some way when the team loses are the ones that will get into trouble for the most part."

La Vaque is a psychologist who sees a lot of people like this. He works in Green Bay.
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To: stormrider1 who wrote (965)1/21/2004 11:53:02 PM
From: LTK007  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1082
 
Mike,I have been thinking and i feel Reid was well aware of the problem last year but just couldn't get it addressed.
i feel his drafting of T.J.Lewis and the McMullen kid were directed at this.
T.J.Lewis i feel is an excelllent addition and could free up Chad Lewis to be traded for a draft pick or whatever.
McMullen he was high on and gave him time right from the start but the kid dropped most anything at him.
Question unanswered does McMullen have terminal -"gees the kid would be great if he only could catch the damned ball":)????
Last year Ralph Boston--they proved right(vert right!) not to make any play for him.
But i do not see T.O. as a Ralph Boston--T.O. is a pain the in butt, jerko--but he plays, he is a wacko health nut that is in such super shape one would think he was sculpted, or possibly an android:)( and he has no THG rumors moving aroud him)
I believe McNabb says many things to the front office we will never hear, but the fact he has publicly said he would want Terrel Owens on his team tells me he has already let this known to the front office.
Pinkston and Thrash, Reid and MCNabb will NOT ever publicly speak against them because they both know that the two are playing to the best of their abilities but the fact is loud and clear, those abilities are #3 and #4 level receivers.
Thrash might even be needed as a kick returner BECAUSE as great a kick returner Westbrook is, you can't move Westbrook up to The Man and have return punts too; it is just asking too much.
Westbrook this is the the big question--Westbrook has greatness written all over him, he as the most unteachable gift a runner can have, incredible vision and the instant quickness to see, process and react plus he has shown he is an excellent receiver.
So can he hold up, can he do 25-30 touches a game (minus kick returning).
At 5'8" 200 pounds he is NOT as small as he looks.
Quit a few of the best backs in football history come in at that area of height and weight.
I don't want to see Troy Vincent go--he pretty well shut down Steve Smith in the carolina game in spite of still having flexor problems.
But Troy sounded REALLY sounded depressed post game, like this hurts so much he just wants to get out, go anywhere.
i think the Titans feel, and are probably right, they could be the best team in football with a little tweaking.
I see Titans eyeing both Vincent and Staley(George is rumored to be leaving).
Reid said this isn't the end we could have great off season, i interpret that he is going for the fixes.PaxMax
The defensive front 4? We need everybody to get back--can Burgess ever play though--is he one these injury prones that never happen---could be).
Also we need a 2nd good middle linebacker to spell Simoneau--he is too small to play virtually every down. yadda yadda PaxMax
p.s. Bobbie what his name got eaten alive by Carolina--we need Mayberry back.



To: stormrider1 who wrote (965)2/1/2004 10:34:24 PM
From: LTK007  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1082
 
Ricky Manning that manhandled Pinkston, dominated , humiliated Pinkston got eaten alive today by Givens. Pinkston 6'2" and skin and bone, Givens rough and tumble was overpowering Manning---enough said.Max



To: stormrider1 who wrote (965)3/5/2004 5:16:21 PM
From: LTK007  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1082
 
Kearse(great player) signed yesterday and Emmons today! Looking good.
And Terrell Owens is gone to fight Ravens deal in court---saying he had a deal with Eagles set.
We were one BS technicality of signing both Kearse ansd Owens in one day! incredible. whew.
Terrel says he had settled for 10million signing bonus with Eages--with Ravens he gets signing bonus of ZERO.
Over on iHub i am now WellesLamont--LOl! Max



To: stormrider1 who wrote (965)3/5/2004 5:27:54 PM
From: LTK007  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1082
 
WAIT! Bad news MAYBE!! Emmons report may be a ESPN plunder, instead they are now saying he has signed with Giants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!